US Military Overwhelmingly For McCain

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  1. Major B

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    Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

    Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain



    By Brendan McGarry - Staff writer
    Posted : Sunday Oct 5, 2008 9:46:06 EDT
    Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, though race appears to be a decisive factor for career-oriented black service members, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers indicates.

    McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

    The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

    But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to appeal to a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.
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    “The military has been perceived as a conservative Republican institution,” said Peter Feaver, a political science professor at Duke University and a special adviser to the National Security Council from 2005 to 2007.

    “A lot of people thought that eight years of frustration with the Bush administration was going to undermine that,” he said. “This evidence suggests that it hasn’t undermined it as much as they thought, at least not yet.”

    Officers and enlisted troops, active-duty members and reservists, those who have served in combat and those who haven’t, all backed McCain by large margins, to about the same extent they supported President Bush four years ago.

    About 69 percent of respondents said they voted for Bush in 2004, while about 16 percent voted for the Democratic nominee, Sen. John Kerry.
    McCain’s majority wanes among women and disappears altogether among black respondents.

    Nearly eight out of 10 black service members indicated they intend to vote for Obama despite his lack of military service and despite McCain’s record as a naval aviator and prisoner of war in Vietnam.

    “I’m going to vote for Barack Obama,” said Marine Gunnery Sgt. Derrick Pipkin, a heavy equipment chief with the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing in Miramar, Calif., and a black man who said he served seven months in Iraq in 2005.

    Pipkin said his vote was influenced more by the continued presence of 152,000 troops in Iraq than by race.
    “I believe that we did our best for the country,” he said. “It’s time to move on.”
    Iraq is third-biggest issue

    Among the top issues for respondents in the survey, the war in Iraq ranks third, behind character of the candidate and the economy. The war in Iraq was cited by more respondents in the 2004 Military Times survey than any other issue, including character and the economy, in considering their choice for president.

    Recent progress in stabilizing Iraq has helped McCain politically, Feaver said. McCain was an early supporter of the troop surge credited with helping to reduce violence in Baghdad and other areas of Iraq.
    Similarly, the character question plays to McCain’s strength, Feaver said. His dramatic experience as a POW is embodied in his campaign slogan, “Country First,” and carries a particular resonance in the military community, as service members themselves indicated.

    Army Sgt. 1st Class Derriel D. Collins, who is black, said he was influenced by McCain’s service record, though he acknowledges black friends question his decision.

    “I’m not going to give [my vote] to you just because you’re black,” he said. “It doesn’t work like that.”

    “John McCain went to war for this country, even though he had an admiral father who probably could have gotten him out of the service,” Collins said. “He stuck it out five years in a prisoner of war camp. If that ain’t fortitude, showing your willingness to go all the way, I don’t know what the credentials are.”

    Army Sgt. Timothy Coen said he will vote for McCain because that would be in keeping with his political views.

    “I just always voted conservative and on a lot of the issues at hand — gun rights and abortion — it just seemed like the more logical choice,” he said.

    Coen, who is white, said he is proud to see a minority running on the ticket of a major political party.

    “But we’d all be fools to think that the race card isn’t going to be played in this election,” he added. “As much as we’d like to say that discrimination or inequality is a thing of the past, it’s not.”

    Daniel J. Becker, an enlisted airman who declined to provide his rank because he wanted his comments to reflect only his personal views and not those of the service or Defense Department, said he will vote for McCain because he has always leaned toward Republican candidates.
    “I’ve always felt that the Republican Party was interested in having a stronger military, which leads to a stronger America,” he said. “That gives us a better voice in world politics and just makes us stand out as the world leaders that we are.”

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    Two of many things that I noticed, the guy assumes racial bias if a black soldier votes for Obama and the survey only consisted of "older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services". He forgot to mention how many retired and X military subscribe to Military times and that Obama does better with younger voters.

    This is not a good representation of the military and I don't know if this guy is qualified to make assumptions since he believe racial bias is the only reason a black person would vote for Obama. I wouldn't however find it surprising if military did support McCain since he is one of them. That'd be like him loosing the great states of AZ and Alaska.
     
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    You can bet the DNC will be trying to suppress more overseas military votes again this election.
     
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    There's always a catch isn't there? :laugh:

    I have no doubt in my mind Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military industrial complex. The republican's endless war theory spells big $$$ for them forever and ever amen.

    As far as the military itself goes, well look what they have to choose from.

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Most of us probably recall that former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger is quoted as having said that soldiers are just "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns by the political and commercial elite. Obviously, even the most anti-military Democrat would never be so brazen as to say what Kissinger said. In practice, however, both Democrats and Republicans demonstrate disdain for our brave military people by the way their unconstitutional policies abuse and misuse them.[/FONT] Chuck Baldwin.
     
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    Duh. McCain's a soldier, Obama isn't.
     
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    While it might be true that more military men and women support McCain, I think the thread title should be "Readers of the Military Times websites who volunteer for polls overwhelmingly for McCain".

    Here is the methodology of the poll.
     
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    And how they attack Ken because of his thread titles...
     
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    Please allow me to quote LeBuick from two other threads on the same (similar?) subject:

    If I understand correctly, LeBuick is saying 323 military donating to Obama's campaign is apparently a better sampling than 4,300....

    As a reminder, folks: there are over 2,000,000 military total, so the percentages from these polls are really small. Somehow, I think .02% for McCain is a better percentage than .004% for Obama....
     
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    Ah, but you failed to mention how many of the 323 read the Military Times. This creates a cross over in findings which leads to erroneous impersonation with intent to blur the facts by bias toward a finite end leaning against things irrelevant. It is a continuation of two, too and to sounding the same but not having the equal final resolute when used before a crowd of three. This makes the cross section valid only when viewed from there but not here (no T in here you see).

    So there, I believe I can rest my case... :thumbs:
     
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    Polls don't mean anything.... isn't that what everyone says when 'their guy" is down? and yet when you can find a gleem of hope in a poll it's as good as gold. :rolleyes:

    Polls and polling don't mean a thing! There are so many variables that can make up a poll it just doesn't make sense to believe in them.

    Obama is up... McCain is up.... either way this country is down....
     
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    Doesn't this belong up in the sticky thread for polls? :)
     
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    This is not a poll. It is an article about a poll.
     
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    A distinction without a difference. :)
     
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    Careful, I will give you the same lesson in logic I gave Don...
     
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    People whose occupation is breaking things and killing people support a candidate who encourages breaking things and killing people . . . Surprise, Suprise.
     
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    The honorable profession of arms, American style, has kept you safe, as a minister of God (Rom 13:4-5) from the time you were born until now. As professionals at our craft, we only break things up and kill people when necessary to accomplish our mission.
     
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    The military has the best of the best to choose from, but we are often ignored until needed. The attitude of civilians with only a slight and slanted view, or of men and women who served only for a couple of years and then could not handle it, is one we put up with. The poem below expresses the frustration we sometimes feel with people who breathe freely by our blood, and write us off.[FONT=sans-serif,Helvetia,Arial]

    Tommy
    By Rudyard Kipling

    I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
    The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
    The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
    I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
    O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
    But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

    I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
    They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
    They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
    But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
    But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
    The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
    O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
    An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
    Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
    Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
    But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

    We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
    But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
    An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
    Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
    While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
    But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
    There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
    O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

    You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
    We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
    An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
    An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

    -- Rudyard Kipling
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  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Good point and here is a quote from that site


    I did not put this in the polls thread because it is more about the military and the suggestion that it is pro-McCain. The poll thread is for electoral polls.
     

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