US now winning Iraq war that seemed los

They have switched arguments already, saying that the surge was irrelevant to progress, and that they were right all along! Whatever, I guess it doesn't matter who claims credit for success, as long as the desired outcome is achieved.

 

More of the Goering factor eh?

Two Four Six Eight who do we appreciate? New World Order! New World Order! Rah Rah Rah!

Good news. Right on time. Takes people's minds off...other news.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/07/impeach-bush-2.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391121,00.html

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/kucinich-raises-bush-impeachment-at-hearing-2008-07-25.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/25/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4292489.shtml

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE21FOVAfMfEbAE5LDwiYm8fGh4QD92527P80

"I realize this news will make some neocon cheerleaders here very unhappy. They will even try to minimize it or discredit it.

Being so heavily invested in a criminal regime, they can do nothing else." :smilewinkgrin:

Okay your turn you got 26 tactics to choose from wonder which ones you'll use? :laugh:

 

The Media left Iraq!

They don't even cover Iraq anymore or barely/ a lot of the credit has to go to al Maliki and the Sunni throwing off the yoke of Sadr that was political and credit goes to Petraeus for his guidance we should be out of there according to Maliki/Obama timetable.

but just a reminder on how the major media has abandoned Iraq

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDqy8h23Kcf-XCRH-fneh5mfq5pgD924CN1O4

John McCain was struck with a bit of unfortunate timing on Friday when his speech touting the security benefits of the surge was preceded by news of the death of eight civilians, including a pro-American leader of the Sunni Awakening, in a suicide bombing in Iraq.

AP
Civilians are still shot and killed in Iraq, despite a decline in overall violence, on a regular basis but this one will draw special attention: The U.S. military has confirmed today that American soldiers shot and killed the 14-year-old son of the chief editor of a U.S.-sponsored newspaper.

Iraq is not void of violence and I think we are all coming to consensus that we want out even if all the violence is not gone completely but the Media barely even covers Iraq anymore only to mention the time talbe an how Al Maliki supports Obamas plan.

Credit to McCain for going after Bush and Rumsfeild failed leadership, but it seemed to be all about McCain with Obama he shared credit and you heard mostly Petraeus and troops while McCain it was I, I,I, Me, Me,Me, I think that is where John lost his way.

 

So they threw a sop to the Kucinich/Impeach Bush crowd again? Wow. Sean Penn must be thrilled.

How bout this one: Isn't it time for you to sweep for listening devices?

 

WW1 was over when the Germans surrendered. WW2 was over when the Germans and Japanese surrendered. The American Revolution (actually a civil war?) was over when the British surrendered. The Iraq war will be over when who surrenders to whom?

 

Uh, that would be tactic number one, right?

"Subtly or not so subtly intimidate anyone who might be open to the possibility of a conspiracy by questioning the mental state of conspiracy advocates and pretending they are outcasts of society whose opinions nobody cares about."

Or is it tactic number 13?

"Make a few jokes, usually involving little green men, Elvis, the grassy knoll, and aliens. Then there also is the classic "out to get you" comment."

Or is it both?

Funny thing about all this NS...I'm the one who's been right all along about the neocon's PR campaigns (2 billion spent on fake news reports) and the "message force multiplication" you all have been falling for over and over. So I understand why you have to try and make me out to be the crazy one here. It's easier than admitting you were wrong all along. And now it's habit as evidenced by your latest reply. :smilewinkgrin:

Besides we haven't been at war with Iraq. We've been nation building and privatizing. In order to win or lose a war you have to be at war.

 

They can claim it all they want.
Bottom line: Iraq is a quagmire. There is no end in sight. Now that we are there, we are stuck there. What exactly was achieved with the surge? That was used to break the insurgency. That's all well and good, but there is still no way for us to pull out of Iraq, and we are no closer to that objective than we were before the surge. How much longer will we have to pay for this?

Regards,
BiR

 

Ah, sticking with those talking points I see. That's the spirit! You may continue to call it a quagmire if it pleases, but it is basically won. Al Qaeda in Iraq are wiped out. The Shia militias are broken up. The central government is holding together, oil production is up. They now have a representative government that is no threat to it's neighbors, all this in a vital part of the world. We can pull out anytime the Iraq government asks us to, and they are feeling pretty cocky, so that could be very soon.

You invited me to use one of the so-called tactics. Just trying to oblige, my friend :thumbs:

 

Yes, there are some who want us to lose. And, I think of the fact that when we fought in WWI and WWII there were clearly defined lines. However, in fighting terrorists the lines are blurred and victory isn't so easily defined. All in all, I believe that I'd much rather us fight the radical muslim and his cowardly acts in his land than in ous.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/28/iraq.main/index.html

Suicide bombers kill at least 70 in Iraq!

Yea, we're winning alright.

 

I think there were two involved in that attack, DF, but your point stands.

To the people who do want to win, well I would too, but I'm having a hard time deciding what constitutes victory. By this administrations standars, we should have U.S. troops in every major American city.

 

Victory for some (30%) would be George W. Bush and company getting away with starting a needless imperial war abroad and further subverting the U.S. constitution at home.

These people straight up lied to us all. You (30%) can deny it all the live long day but you can't get around it the evidence is still piling up. They lied to us and manipulated us. Be Americans for crying out loud stand up for your country instead of these parasites that have been feeding off us all for the last seven years.

 

I disagree. I hold the Clintons, along with Gore & several others, just as responsible, and throw them all in the mix. The lies came from both sides, brother. Both sides need to pay.

 

Of course you are 100% right Bro! I keep taking it for granted that all the "conservatives" here abouts all know Bill Clinton and Al Gore are crooks. I hold them just as responsible as the Bush clan...wait a minute Bill Clinton and Al Gore are part of the Bush clan.

They're all globalists posing as Americans. They're hitting us from both sides, Gore and his ilk are trying to scare us into world government with "global warming" and Bush and his ilk are trying to scare into world government with "global terrorism". Surprise! It ain't no coincidence it's pre meditated manipulation meant to herd us all lefties and righties into surrendering our sovereignty in the name of whatever is global be it war or weather.

Strange enough victory for some others would be Obama being elected. He's part of the same globalist clan too and he just unashamedly admitted it in Berlin!

I don't have words to describe how sick I am of these transnational creatures and their corporate masters.

 

Even so the number of such terrorist attacks is down greatly. Remember, the terrorists only have to get it right once to make headlines. Whereas our military boys over there have to get it right everytime or some liberal media reporter is going to publish a trash article making it look like we are loosing.:BangHead:

 

Then the same trash gets repeated here.

 

Well I guess some people prefer lies that appear to come from the right.

 

Again, this is a quagmire. Though it may be a talking point, it's also a FACT. There is no end in sight, and to proclaim otherwise is simply not true. Now that the surge has suppressed the insurgency, perhaps they can get back to rebuilding the country's military, which was supposedly a top priority.

Don't forget that a-Q wasn't even in Iraq (at least in any significant presence) before we invaded. Zaraqawi (probably misspelled) was not a-Q until after we invaded, and then became some sort of franchisee. Moreover, Zaraqawi was in Iraq...........in the Kurdish North where he was protected from Hussein, who would have no doubt butchered him if given half a chance. That was his M.O. for dealing with his enemies, remember?

As for the Shiite militia, you have no idea whether or not they are out of business. Nobody really knows. Perhaps you didn't know this, but Southern/Eastern Iraq is predominantly Shiite. They could be anywhere, and might be waiting for the right opportunity.

Regards,
BiR