In talking about various English translations, it would seem intelligent to make sure everyone understands some basic English. (1) There is no such thing as a 1611KJV. There is the 1611AV and then various revisions (which started immediately) that are classified as the KJV (2) There is no such thing as a KJB as in Bible. There are many KJV as in "versions" of the Bible. But look inside any revision you have and it will say it is a "Version". (3) Most who claim AV1611 don't really use one. They use one of the various revisions. (4) The AV1611 is NOT a "new" translation. Even its translators recognized that and 85% of the text/phrases etc of the AV1611 are from earlier English translations. It is not the "final", the "seventh", the "perfect". It is one in a chain of good English translations. Now I would think all 4 of these presuppositions would be obvious and agreed to by all. But I bounced these ideas off one of my grad students at church tonight and he bristled at 3 of the 4 (he's a #4 only) Can we agree here?