Versions that are Invalid:

Faith alone: //My personal view is that I just want to see people in God's Word. //

Amen, Faith alone -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Faith alone: //And I do respect the history behind both main Greek families. Having gone through the entire NT twice looking for places in which the MT and the CT were significantly in variance has left me with a comfortable feeling regarding both of them.//

Amen, Faith alone -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

That is a good thing to do, you are responsible for
your own relationship with Messiah Jesus

 

Go click on any 'number of votes' and you can see who
voted for what.
It seems that 18% wanted to sabotage my poll.
But it worked without them.
Another 5 or 6% didn't really understand the poll:
a vote 'for' a Bible means it is INVALID.
A vote 'aganst' a Bible means:
1. It is Valid
or 2. I don't know enough
to say that it is Invalid

 

Amen, Faith alone -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Of course, I am humbled to proudly say:
I read more different versions of the KJV than
94% of the KJVOs

Not only that, for the first 28 years I was a Christian,
I used the KJV1769 edition only.

Check out this topic:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=2394

It lists 5 different types of KJVOs.
I'm a KJVO Type 2 myself.

Some other people seem not to have read that topic,
but it is quite interesting.

 

I described a shoe.
Those who who are under conviction
by God may choose to wear it.
I sure don't make anybody wear them.

Here are some commonly mentioned Baptist
Distinctives:

* Biblical authority
* Autonomy of the local church
* Priesthood of all believers
* Two ordinances (baptism and communion)
* Individual soul liberty
* Separation of Church and State
* Two offices of the church (pastor and deacon)

KJVO is not a Baptist Distinctive.
Individual soul liberty is a Baptist Distinctive.

I was called to minister to God's ministers
in 19
I was called to minister to God's ministers
on-line in 1984.
I never have been uncalled.
I am more likely to do nice stuff than bad stuff.


(I do feel like a fool cause what I though was
a clearly worded message seems to have
been totally misunderstood???)

Please read the O.P. (opening post) in this topic:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=2394

before this discussion proceeds. Thank you.
I am a KJVO Type #2. What are you?

The fundamentals of traditional fundamentalism
(of which I am one):

1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
4. the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead
5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

I am an Independant Baptist
I am a Fundamental Baptist
I am NOT a registered Independent Fundamental Baptist.

 

Thank you, that will allow me to minister to you better.

BTW, another thing some minority of a minority preachers
mislead their people about is the failure to tell them
the Bapist principle of Soul Competency (you have to figure
out from God how He would have you walk) and the
fact: ALL Christian Baptists are called minister.
I know I'm an ordained Deacon - that is one of my ministries.

With a name like 4boys4joys - it is easy to see your ministry.
You have been called to raise four boys.
So when I pray for people I say something like:

May all God's best blessings flow this very day unto
Sister 4boys4joys, her family, and her ministry(ies).
May this be done so that we might give all the more
honor & glory unto our Blessed Lord & Savior:
Messiah Yeshua (Hebrew for Christ Jesus). Amen.

Said on another venue:
//But I do wonder if having this many versions creates confusion
in the eyes of the lost. It may not affect what they read but it could
affect the trust they have in what they read when there are
so many interpretations.//

Actually the many versions creates excuses for the
lost. This is due to confusion on the part of
A FEW (not all, maybe only 2-3%) individual Christians.
This is due to confusion on the part of A FEW
(not all, maybe only 1-2%) pastors. I've discovered
that many (not all, that is like 40% of 1-2% of pastors) of
the confused pastors (that is: many among the
very few) are WILLINGLY ignorant (not knowing)
by misguided understanding of the one
Bible they use. But their 'Fundamental' is
'the best preacher is one that the Holy Spirit tranied only'
i.e. NOT seminary trained. So these minority of a minority
of pastors are ignorant (not knowing) about
about translations. The minority of a minority
of pastors eschew Bible helps
like STRONG'S (refers back to the original language
but is mostly in English) and learning the original
languages: Hebrew & Greek.
This minority of a minority of pastors can't teach their
people about the Bible; they cover their tracks with
the the montra: "only one Bible is right - the 1611 KJB".
This makes that minority of a minority I'm talking about
of pastors look mighty foolish cause they
use a striped down KJV1769 Edition
NOT a KJV1611 Edition Reprint.

So yes, different versions in English causes some problems,
but not as many problems as does using
one English version only.

I believe as an axiom that the Holy Spirit will use multiple
studied versions of the Bible to help teach
the Bible to ALL Christians that can read English.
Two different translations add up to more information
that the Holy Spirit can teach any (100%) indivual.
If one's pastor witholds this information from one,
then that one is being deceived by that pastor --
the pastor has usurped the Holy Spirit's job.

 

Yes, that is obvious. I mentioned the
Baptist Distinctives because I was trying
to explaine my post that you didn't understand.

Did you figure out this message?
(I do feel like a fool cause what I though was
a clearly worded message seems to have
been totally misunderstood???)

I may be six or a dozen posts trying to explain
my first post. It was misunderstood on so
many levels. However, your responses tend
to prove what I said -- you didn't agree with it,
you couldn't, you didn't understand it.

Actually I was trying to be very specific not general
at all.

Here is what I said again:

//the KJVOs that come from what I like
to call "the no school School" or "the cult
of ignorance" ... //

That was very specific. I didn't say
"all Chrisitans"
"all Baptists"
"all KJVOs"
(these statements would have been general).
I was spicifically talking about people
who are KJVO and are anti-education.
People who eschew the fine Seminaries (where
one gets a PHD (Doctor of Philosophy /literally
'love of learning' / ) or equivalent, Bible and Secular Colleges
(where one gets a Master's Degree or Bachelors Degree).
In fact, I've seen some (not all) small number who
think Secondary (grades 7-12) education in the
public school put out the fires in a Christian.

I'm talking about a specific group of people
not a general group of people.

The humor of //"the no school School"// was
totally overlooked. 'School' refers to a group of
thought to which a group of people belong.
'school' means formal learning, 'no school' means
not formal learning.

Anyway, this minority of a minority preachers
that I'm talking about (a majority of that minority
are Baptists) appear to have substituted the
Fundamentals of Fundamentalist Christian
with a whole new, un-Biblical , illogical theorem/doctrine:

The ultra-fundamentals:

1. Anti-Bible (KJBO = King James Bible Only)
2. Anti-education (AKA: pro-ignorance)
3. Anti-success
4. Anti-female
5. Anti-alien (Hate of gay-boys, racism, etc.)

But I'm talking about a minority of a minority
Baptist Preachers that are leading their flocks
off the edge of the world.

 

Here is is an idea that comes from Set Theory
(it is called 'theory', but it is as much a
fact /or truth/ as anything that men have discovered about
the Universe that My God made).
Sets are just collections of things.
Set Theory is a part of Mathematics.
I'll show it's meaning for we Christians:

Any finite number of infine subsets can be
made from an infinite set.

A finite number is a number that can be counted.
An infinite number is a number that cannot be
counted, even if you have an eternity to count.
An infinite subset is a part of a set
that has an infinite number of elements in it.

Here is a finite set:
{all positive counting numbers less than 4}
= {1,2,3}

Here is an infinite set:
{all positive counting numbers}
= {1,2,3, ... x, x+1, X+2 ... }

/the ellipsis (...) denotes missing elements,
you just can't list all the elements in an
infinite set/

So there has been or will be a finite number
of real Romans 10:9-10 Christians.
But Eternity is endless - is a finite set
of what ever time units one wishes.

Here are some infinite sets:
{centuries spent with JESUS alone}
{centuries Ed spends with Sister 4boys4joys}
{centuries Sister 4boys4joys spends with her oldest boy*}

*I pray daily that this boy will become personally
saved by Messiah Yeshua.

We HAVE to LOVE our Christian brothers & sisters --
we are going to spend eternity with them.

 

New Age Versus Real Fundamental Christians

The fundamentals of traditional fundamentalism:

1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
4. the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead
5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

Note the first one is about the Written Word of God,
the Holy Bible (AKA: Holy Scripture).
Note that #2 to #5 (the last four) are about
the Living Word of God, Messiah Jesus.
Notice that a person (even if He is a spiritual person)
is NOT the same as a Book (even if it is the
best book in the world).

To equate the Written Word of God and the Living
Word of God is a step away from the Fundamentals
of Christianity. To equate the Written Word of God
and the Living Word of God is a step toward
a NEW AGE belief.

The next step toward the NEW AGE belief concerning
the Holy Scripture is to use the Divine Bible
(third person of the Holy Trinity) as a divination device
and a fortune telling tool: i.e. using
some Bible Code on the King James Version 1769
Edition ONLY.

The Bible Codes are a direct violation of the ETERNAL
LAW OF GOD:

Deu 18:10-11 (KJV1611 Edition):
There shall not be found among you any one
that maketh his sonne, or his daughter
to passe thorow the fire,
or that vseth diuination,
or an obseruer of times,
or an inchanter,
or a witch,
11 Or a charmer,
or a consulter with familiar spirits,
or a wyzard,
or a Necromancer.
12 For all that do these things,
are an abomination vnto the Lord:

 

Here, have a little logic:

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OSAS Proof Text
The example of 'Reductio ad absurduem' in Hebrews 6:4-6:

Heb 6:4-6 (KJV1611 Edition):

For it is impossible for
those who were once inlightned,
and haue tasted of the heauenly gift,
and were made partakers of the holy Ghost,
5 And haue tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come;
6 If they shall fall away,
to renue them againe vnto repentance:
seeing they crucifie to themselues the Sonne of God afresh,
and put him to an open shame.

INTRODUCTION TO THE 'Reductio ad absurduem',
STATEMENT OF INTENTION:
For it is impossible for

THE TRUE PROPOSITIONS (STATEMENTS):
those who were once inlightned,
and haue tasted of the heauenly gift,
and were made partakers of the holy Ghost,
5 And haue tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come;

THE PROPOSITION (STATEMENT) TO BE PROVED FALSE:
6 If they shall fall away, to renue them againe vnto repentance:

THE THEN PORTION (THE CONCLUSION)
THAT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS THOSE IF PROPOSITIONS:
seeing they crucifie to themselues the Sonne of God afresh,
and put him to an open shame.

THE MISSING PARTS OF THE ARGUMENT:

Of course, it is obsurd that Jesus will not be crucified
again nor shamed. So the proposition to be proved
false:
6 If they shall fall away, to renue them againe vnto repentance:
has been proved, the saved cannot fall away from salvation.
Has been proved by 'Reductio ad absurduem'

However, I note about 1/3 of the New Testament is advice on
how to live like a Christ-one, act like a Christ-one, talk
like a Christ-one, be a Christ-one. So let us encourage one another
to walk like a Christian, talk like a Christian, hope like a Christian.