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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Crabtownboy, May 23, 2015.
I agree with the veterans.
Some of us knew it was all fear mongering hype before the "shock and awe" ever took place.
You and I were against the invasion, probably or different reasons. Regardless everyone, well almost everyone now recognizes it was a terrible mistake. I was sure it would be a horrible mistake. I hoped I was wrong. But, sadly, I was right.
Anyone who knows even a little of the history of the Mid-East surely knew that it was a big mistake. Even setting history aside there was people saying that, yes Saddam is bad, but there is much worse waiting in the wings to take over if he was overthrown.
Then there was the numerous mistakes made after Baghdad fell that has resulted in the formation of ISIS. ISIS is much worse than Saddam.
The fear mongers won and it has cost us untold billions, thousands of lives of young Americans lost, and tens of thousands disabled for life. And yet we have those who did not and have not learned the lesson of history here and want to so more of the same. It makes a person weep.
The banksters and the military industrial complex are laughing all the way to the bank.
The debate is healthy, it's desperately needed.
Besides, their plight doesn't match that of the Viet Nam vets, imo.
I had positive opinion about Afghanistan but instinctively knew something was wrong with invading Iraq. I actually feared EXACTLY what happened; the pendulum swings and backlash from war weary Americans results in socialistic government.
Now I actually fear the opposite; the pendulum swings and backlash against far left Marxist policies results in the neocons coming into full control, once again.
Ghosts of Saddam
And you know the shame in all this? Remember those WMDs we invaded Iraq over? Well, we found them! And left them right there! And now ISIS has them!
Now THAT should really make the Iraq War vets feel justified, right?
...try trillions, and we've actually yet to pay the first dime on either war because we haven't stopped borrowing since.
There you go again articulating what the right wingnuts will never admit! And Ike WARNED us beforehand about BOTH!
Hillary was for the war and so was Bill but the Democrats do not blame them and Hillary will be elected.
Bill & Hillary did not invade Iraq. They can't be blamed for something they didn't do.
They were both calling for regime change in Iraq. They both were beating the war drums. They absolutely are responsible for the war along with many others.
But you don't give a d**n about the 55+million who were never given a chance for life. How many tears have you shed for them Crab? Not one or you would not continue to support the party of death. Your hypocrisy makes me want to vomit!
Bill and Hillary are white trash scum!
So? It didn't happen on his watch. As Commander-In-Chief, Clinton did not invade Iraq. Commander-In-Chief Dubya did.
Former Indiana Congressman Says Securing Israel Was Hidden Agenda for Iraq War -
"....former congressman John Hostettler, a Republican representing southern Indiana, has self-published a book that puts the decision to invade Iraq on George Bush with a revenge motive, and neocons with a pro-Israel agenda.....
...“It cannot be debated that toppling Saddam was accomplished by means of a ‘private compact’ with political appointees and their underlings in the Pentagon ‘to support’ the ideals of ‘partisans . . . dedicated to another cause,’ ” .....” That other cause, he writes, was securing Israel....
....This is good news. It shows that the honorable American impulse of investigating a disaster and assigning blame is spreading–in this case, to a heartland social conservative ...... who washed out in the great Iraq election of 2006– notwithstanding the fact that Hostettler, a mechanical engineer, was one of only six Republican congressmen to vote against the war. Too bad that he had to self-publish, but good for the Indianapolis Star for the coverage. Hostettler now joins Joe Klein, Stephen Sniegoski, Walt, Mearsheimer, Grant Smith, a ton of other smart folks who are willing to point the finger at the bad Zionist-fed ideas that helped create this mess. Let the sunshine in!...
...P.S. Hostettler is a gun-toting Baptist who supported the Defense of Marriage Act and once averred that abortion might cause breast cancer. - ....."
Harry Truman had a sign on his desk, "The Buck Stops Here".
The Bush apologists want all to believe that the buck stopped before or after, depending on the issue, Bush took office. And now the GOP presidential hopefuls are running for the exits and doing a great disservice to the veterans who gave so much there.
Historians will not make that mistake. Bush set us on a downward spiral and there are folk who still want to continue that path. He completely wasted all the goodwill other nations and their citizens felt toward the US after 9/11. What a tragedy.
I am not running for the exits--it is Hillary who supported the war as well as Bill.
Actually there is a connection between abortion and breast cancer:
Your concern for veterans is heart rending Crab!
They can be blamed for calling for regime change, passing a resolution through Congress and joining in voting for the war, along with many other prominent Democrats such as Kerry, et al.
Iraq was stable until Obama pulled out and wasted all that had been accomplished by our soldiers.
Uh your messiah blames everyone but himself. Always has.
NO! It is your cohort in slaughtering babies, Barak Obama, that has deliberately put this country on a downward spiral. I predicted that in 2008 and it has come to pass. Of course he could not have done it without the help of people like you Crab! Some people think he is spineless. I disagree! He hates this country and I expect he hates the blacks as much as the whites. Since he is half and half he wishes to share his hatred. Even worse he hates Christians. Much of what he has done while in office has strengthened the religion of death, Islam, mostly the Shia! Now he is doing his best to ensure Iran gets a nuclear bomb!