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  1. th1bill

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    I was born, just as World War II, just as the two conflicts were ending and ecause of this I did not know real conflict until President Johnson decided to upscale the Vietnam Civil War into a matter of world concern. With a prolific German grandfather and Irish grandmother I had uncles that fought in WW II and in Korea. One of my German named uncles even died fighting his relatives in Europe for the good of this nation.

    My dad, my Step-father, was a twelve year, two war American Veteran and I had real life heroes. Lying here on my VA supplied Hospital Style Bed, I'm watching Hannity interview General McChrystal and I'm struck by one of his comments, “A veteran is a person you thank for their service when you see them in the airport.” There is more truth in that statement than any non-vet will ever dwell upon.

    From the moment this nation declared itself, it has been dependent upon the men willing to die for it's right to exist. We have, in these, most, recent years not cared to know these men for more reasons than I'll ever care to examine but men that are willing to die for what they believe in will be forever required until the LORD ends this mess and recreates the world, perfected.

    The missing truth, I didn't forget, they don't live in your community and you don't want to know them, these nuts that believe so much in the safety of there moms, sisters, wives, girlfriends and children that they walk into live gunfire to stop it. If you choose to respond to this post, please think before typing. I am not talking about you son, your brother or the kid in your church that you send the most useless things imaginable to in a country you could care less about.

    I wear pins for some of my medals on my hats and I get these condescending “Thank you for your service,” remarks all of the time. No man and no woman can ever take the spittle that dripped from my face in November of 1969 away. I knew before I came home that the American people despised me, my men and my Officers and I did not care then and I still do not care! Those of us that defend this nation, against your desire to allow your children to be slaughtered in their front yards and much worse for not resisting, will not see this country in the condition we have seen overseas because of the nation's, in general, cowardice.

    I did not call you a coward! However, you might want to ask yourself, “What am I doing to shore up the defense, the required defense, of this nation.” And if you see a GI on the highway, can he spend a night on your couch and get supper and breakfast before going on?
     
  2. HAMel

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    th1bill, well said. I too am a veteran of the 1960's. My father was a career Marine having served in WW II (South Pacific) and in Korea. My wife lost her oldest brother in Vietnam.

    Our Freedom is not free and one of the worst things that ever happened to this country was ending the draft. The military will make wimpy cowards grow up.

    God Bless you Brother and Semper Fi.
     
  3. th1bill

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    My dad joined on Monday, Dec. 8 and standing all of 5' 31/2" they put him in Custer's Cavalry where he fought the entire Pacific Campaign ending after two years of Occupation Duty. I'm going to admit... I grin every time I consider that little giant astride a horse with a saber.

    I wish the Army would take your moto in some language. The one from the 2nd of the 7th Cav. is Gary Owen. It means much the same and always brings a broad grin when ever one of Custer's men (they still think they are) hails me with that salute. As much as dad hated me going into the Pacific on the same turf he fought over, when I came home and admitted to him I had worked, daily, with his old unit, I got a beer and a Gary Owen for my effort.

    Ǵod bless and Semper Fi with a Gary Owen to boot.
     
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    Bill,
    My grandfather fought in WW1 in France. My Dad was drafted in 1944 as WW2 was winding down. He got called back during the Korean War because of reserve obligations after he had gotten a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and was working for General Electric.

    I served about five years after you did for a couple of terms. I appreciate you post, and admire more than words can express your service during Vietnam. There are some on here who have served. Carpro's service was similar to yours. I know that Rev Mitchell served, and believe Arbo did. No doubt there are others that I do not recall or are unaware of. To each and everyone, my hat is off to you.

    Since joining ancestry.com, I have discovered some interesting facts. Ethan Allen is an ancestor of mine, along with Micah Vail, who fought with the Green Mountian Boys in Vermont during the Revolutionary War. One of the most interesting things I have found out is that on my Dad's father's side, my great great great grandfather was a Captain in the union army, and fought at the Battle of Vicksburg. At the same battle, I have another great great great grandfather on my Dad's mother's side that fought for the confederate army. I have found detailed dairies of his that detail the horrible conditions of what they ate, the medical care, and the diseases that were rampant, in particular disentary.
     
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    I have never spent much time involved in my ancestry but understand I did have a great, great someone who fought at Harpers Ferry, West Virginia.

    Otherwise, not aware of anyone else even though there probably were some. That Civil War involved almost every family way back then.
     
  6. th1bill

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    Since all of my white ancestors did not arrive until WW I had been fought I don't use any time looking them up. All I know is that my dad's dad fought the trenches in WW I and he fought the Pacific in WW II and then ETSed and joined the new US Air Force as a Radial and Jet Engine Mechanic and served on site in Korea.
     
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    I am not a Vietnam vet, but my uncle had 3 tours in Nam with the marines and it finally cost him his life. I am a vet, however, and have never felt so awed and humbled by my visit to D.C. and the Vietnam Memorial on Memorial Day, with everyone finding their loved ones names on the wall. That was a sobering experience. I come from a family of vets and in school I was one of the few that took up for our boys in Nam. I was horrified by your treatment when coming home, and I still don't think you were ever given your due for service rendered. What gets me the most is the acts of treason (in my opinion) by the press and how they stab vets in the back with the very freedom the vets and God Almighty provides.
     
  8. th1bill

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    Thanks for your input because descussion on this is important but it is equally important not to draw the average Vietnam Vet into the spot light. Most of us because we hang together are fine, we have one another. A few, like Major and myself have been called and fortified by Christ to speak in His cause and some times one of us takes notice of the young men and we will speak, praying they will be better served when they return home.

    I was over the hippie in Frisco before I arrived home and I was over the idiot seated beside me as soon as I explained to him that he was free to join the Army or the Corps. and then count each and every Gook he killed until he went Stupid Crazy and they locked him up. And I was over the friends I grew up with almost as soon as they didn't want to drink a beer bought by me.

    Nam made many of us hard and with that leather outside, we survived and all we really care about today is what the OP was really about. My experiences do not matter today and are presented only as a shadow to be avoided, at all costs with the brave men and ewomen defending us right now. They are not all lethered up and I pray they never will be.
     
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    Thank you all for your support of this country......hopefully we can keep this country out of harms way, however these past few years of having civilians (who have never worn the uniform) call the shots frankly scares me.I think I have lost all faith in our [Career] politicians so I personally have recently been taking a particularly critical view of their motives.

    But lately (and this is what scares the heck out of me)I have been noting a fear based militarism on the part of everyday people who believe that the US Military is a threat to our precious liberties. Perhaps we should all request that new recruit training spend more time explaining in detail the United States Constitution & what we are upholding. We do not want our military to be separated from the people we serve. I never want to see anyone in the military draw down on a US citizen. That would bring shame upon us as a country.
     
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    I feel a bit conflicted. I understand the reasoning behind the position of C-in-C being a civilian one, but I cannot help but think that a President who has served is in some way better qualified than one who has not.

    My opinion only.
     
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    And it's a good opinion.
     
  12. Van

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    Being a veteran does not make a person a leader. We have the Kerry types who put in for purple hearts when they were scratched, trading on the honor due those who put their life on the line to defend our country.

    I am a veteran, but since I was never in combat, I do not think of myself as a veteran. However, my son in law served with the Marines in Desert Storm, and he deserves our unending honor and respect.

    My favorite President was a war hero, and he died in the service of our country. JFK.

    We should honor Christ above all, but those who gave their lives to protect our ability to freely worship Him shall never be forgotten.
     
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    I Thank Them All!

    I never fail to see a vet without letting them know how thankful I am for their service.

    As a Viet Nam vet, who never got the recognition, I felt my brothers were due, I make sure that any veteran I come across in the stores knows I salute their service to this great country.

    People forget that the uniform means these people are willing to die for you, and no greater gift can another human give to their fellow human than his or her lifeto see another live in peace and in freedom.
     
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    Amen!

    Those who faced the possiblity of giving their life to maintain the freedom of others, would more than likely make a better leader, because they would know the depth of sacrifice from going to war. It is never easy sending another into "Harm's Way, so a veteran would make a good "check and balance" in a national figure leading this nation.

    Well said, by both my brothers above!
     
  15. Salty

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    Van, I never served in combat - but I am proud to call myself a Vet - I did serve during Vietnam - but I make it very clear that I am a Vietnam ERA vet - I have never claimed nor will I attempt to make someone believe I served in combat.

    Let me take this a step further. I ran for political office about a decade ago. The first time I met my opponent, we got talking about the military - he stated that since he only served in the reserves - he did not consider himself a vet. I told him that since he wore the uniform of the United States he did serve his county and I considered him a Vet as I would any active duty GI!

    The one title I do not like to be called is a hero.

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    I honestly don't know how to respond to this thread.

    Bill, you have my utmost respect. As well as those that have already posted, and Sapper Woody, and the rest of the Baptist Board vets. I can't think of anything more to say than that.

    I started my new life a couple of months ago. I'm employed at a small community college. One of the "additional duties" I immediately volunteered for is sponsor for the Student Veterans Association. Hopefully, I'll be able to help out some of these kids returning from the Middle East.

    If anyone's interested, go to www.greenbeanscoffee.com/coj/; a small donation will allow you to buy a coffee for a deployed troop.

    By the way--please don't thank me for my service. Even though I'm classified as a combat veteran, I was never in direct combat, and it just doesn't feel right when I think of all those that have been, and truly deserve your appreciation.

    Don
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    12 Dec 1987 - 1 Dec 2012
     
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    Well Said...

    May be one of many who deeply appreciated your many yeas of dedication and service to keep America free.

    May you experience his favor in your new civilian life!
     
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    Oh, I thought this was about veternary surgeons..... my brother-in-law went to Vietnam and has had EXCELLENT government support. At the time of course he and many like him laid low because of public feelings in some quarters.

    I have ben surprised at how poorly some countries look after their veterans...after all these guys did fight for what was seen at the time critically important issues for their country.

    Even dad who was regular army was in Malaya during the "emergency" which was a communist insurgency, and although not a combat soldier,he was a surveyor....he received what was due for working at risk I guess is the best way to describe it.

    His younger brother was in Japan after the srrender and was CO of a POW camp.....he and his ilk have only just been recognised by the government for working in a shattered country. Not much use to him, he being dead for quite some time,but good for his family.
     
  19. th1bill

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    I find that we are living in the midst of the most important time of the history of the world. As I look around me I see the End Time prophecies being fulfilled. I agree with what you have said and because of my internet activity, I fully expect to see the Feds at my door any time now. Unlike most of the sheep, I refuse to use Windows 7 or 8 because of the built in and NSA approved Root Kit that cannot be removed.

    I agree about the fools plan to defeat the military, that's not an option. And I know some, naming the name of Christ are falling into that trap but that says more about their faith/salvation than they ever want known.

    Thanks for the post, good input.
     

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