Voter Fraud and Future

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Aaron, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. Aaron

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    http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/22427-election-voter-fraud-and-the-future/

    The author doesn't "get it." It isn't about communication, it is about character. A morally upright citizenry allowed themselves to be guilted into ceding voting rights and special privileges to classes who should never have had them. These classes do not want fiscal responsibility. They want eat and sleep and rise up to play. They are following those who promise it to them, thinking they intend to keep their promises.

    Their will be no "explaining it." If we do not act now to use what is left of the fabric of our polity to peacefully right this situation, the only recourse is slavery or war.
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    Bingo! :thumbs:
     
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    "Bread and circuses" they understand, as long as someone else buys the bread and tickets.
     
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    "(The) time a town or even a country is really lost is when the people who live in it get careless and stop paying attention to how it's being run..."

    "Mark, money is nothing but paper and green ink. The thing that gives it value is how its earned. Now an outlaw's money is never earned. Not the kind we want."

    Lucas McCain
     
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    Repeating myself . . . it is not possible for a government of 300 million people to be honest. It is a problem of scale, not morality.
     
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    Scale has nothing to do with it. A moral people can have a moral government, in a Republic, regardless of the number of people involved. A moral people have allowed an immoral government to come about by their own apathy. (Christian majority)

    Over the years, how many professing Christians have stayed away from the polls? And/or, didn't bother to do more than simply check a straight ticket box, without taking enough interest to study the goals of the individual candidates? Apathy!

    It's sad that so many have not learned from history. How many times has God watched this happen until His patience ran out? How many times has He brought down corrupt governments, throughout history, and given peoples the opportunity to rise from their apathy?

    It isn't a matter of scale, where God is concerned. The only question is will He give us (the US) another opportunity to rectify a wrong? Only He knows how close we are to the final solution. The time that our Saviour will rule ALL THE EARTH, regardless of how many BILLIONS may be involved.
     
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    Bible teaches that things done in secret (in the dark) are evil and things done in the light of day are (tend to be?) honest. This includes secret ballots which is why there are no secret ballots in the open sessions of congress. The evil stuff is done in closed meetings.

    Pre-Revolution New England town meetings are said to be the epitome if the democratic practice. But in those meetings everyone knew everyone else and business was approved by raised hands. In those days strangers who did not fit in were run out of town.

    In WA all governmental meetings where business MIGHT be discussed must be an open meeting. The Snohomish County PUD only has three commissioners so two or three of them can not legaally go out for coffee because it would constitute an illegal public meeting.

    On the other hand, each commissioner has a confidential assistant and there is no law about the assistants talking to each other. It is obvious that every item of legislation at the public meetings is a done deal and the arguments are pro forma to keep the voters happy.
     
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    Bill, what does open meetings have to do with the issue, at hand - Voter fraud and the future - ? IMO, that's a separate topic of discussion. Chances are we all know how local commissioners get around the laws.

    It is no one's business how I vote, whether it's for candidates for public office or to accept/reject becoming a union shop.

    However, it is my business to know how a public official has voted on my behalf. If he doesn't vote according to my beliefs, then I have the opportunty to try to vote him or her out of office.

    That said, I believe that voter fraud is rampant and the media is turning a blind eye to it. In a nearby county, 2 weeks ago, a state run mental hospital brought bus loads of patients to a particular polling place. A friend of mine was working there on election day. She heard the hospital attendants turn down offers of assistance, as the attendants "assisted" the patients through the voting process. This hospital houses seriously disturbed patients.

    Where was the media outrage that people deemed to be incomptent to manage their affairs are being assisted in the voting booth by hospital attendants? There was none that I'm aware of today.

    Is there any cross-checking to make sure college students don't vote at their college address and by absentee ballot from their home towns, as well?

    I'm thankful that our location still has paper ballots that are read by scanners. At least recounts are physically possible. Once the paper trail is removed, all sorts of evil can pass undetected. With electronic voting without paper confirmation, it's relatively easy for the screen to show one thing and the data sent to be another. That's just one example.

    When you look at the voting pattern at the county level, it's easy to spot which counties are the ones to target for voter fraud activity. In tight races, it doesn't take state wide manipulation of the votes to swap red and blue. A few key precincts are all that are needed.
     
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    Dishonesty is a problem of morality regardless of the size of government.
     
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    I am not sure what you are trying to get across here, but my experience is exactly the opposite. I work in an adult day care, and have since I retired from my main career. Before the election, the staff encouraged all to register to vote, and we had classes that taught the stance of the two candidates for President in a neutral manner. After that was complete, we had a mock election where Romney won by a large margin. Of those who did vote, the ratio was the same. We did not interfear with the voting process. If they needed help, the guardians provided it. I can think of no reason that makes these folks inelligible to vote.
     
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    I have absolutely no problem with people in adult day care voting. In fact, I hadn't even considered the possibility that they wouldn't vote, until I read your post. It's commendable that you and others provide them the opportunity to exercise their freedom to vote. :applause:

    IMO....

    There's a difference between adult day care and a STATE mental hospital housing people with severe disabilities who cannot be in adult day care. Would you have turned down offers of assistance, by poll watchers, for example, when your group arrived at the polling place? I'm assuming in your group some have mobility problems, for example. All offers of assistance was turned down in this case.

    I can't picture you taking anyone to the polls who did not have the capability needed to actually make a choice of candidates. Yet, my friend saw it happen, as STATE attendants (her word) brought them in and voted for them.
     
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    Agree with OT. First time I heard of registering crazies, etc, was the 2nd Reagan election - and done by Democrats in WA.
     

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