Voter fraud

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  1. Salty

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    Many here believe that voters should provide picture ID (and possibly w/address) at the voting booth.


    But what about absentee voting! How do we know that a person voting via absentee ballot is actually:

    A. the person voting?
    B. living where he says he does?
    C. competent to vote?

    How do we insure a proper vote? Should members of the Board of Elections make visits thurout the year to insure the person requesting a ballot is still living, at the address listed or other valid concerns?

    Thoughts?

    Salty
     
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    How would the Board of Elections go about visiting the military personnel stationed in other continents who vote absentee?
     
  3. Salty

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    Good questions,

    But would you opposed BOE visiting people who vote by absentee locally?
     
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    To vote absentee, one must already be registered to vote and send in an application to vote absentee. That application asks for either your social security number or your driver's license number.

    That's how accuracy can be checked.

    Competent to vote? That rules out half the country. Truly incompetent may raise a flag when they run the social. I may be wrong, but I believe numbers are flagged when they are no longer able to exercise all the same rights as others due to mental incompetence or criminal activity.
     
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    First each State or Commonwealth sets their own rules for voter registration.

    On the New York State Form (PDF file) , though it does ask for your DMV #, you can substitute your last four of your SSAN - as you can see, you could even state you don't have a DMV or SSAN.


    Now, you are correct in that you must register - but how does Board of Elections know that I am not filling out a form for my deceased father?

    Or how does BOE know if I am a citizen or not?
    Or how does BOE know if I currently registered in another State or Commonwealth?

    Mental Incompetence: When I was doing taxi, I often carried Mentally retarded individuals. I remember one man whom I started talking to about the Presidential election back in '08. He mentioned he liked Obama. I said, my favorite candidate was Gen Douglas MacArthur. He then said the Gen would be a good President also. Since these folks live in group homes ( say about 10 or so) I've always wondered if they all received a ballot - who actually fills out the form? Would it be the union member State employee?
    I'm just saying....

    In New York - a person convicted of a criminal offense has his voting rights restored after all incarnation time, probation and parole time has expired.

    Is there voter fraud? Click here

    I found it interesting that I saw some article state - "Voter fraud is minimal" - so no need to enforce it. Can you iminage the cops saying, "well we only had 2 murders last year - so there is no reason to invesigate..."

    Some people thinks this issue has just went to the dogs...

    Recently there was an election won by just 19 votes... and voter fraud was suspected - then what happened
     
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    I oppose an I.D. requirement for voting. The usual method would be to show your driver's license. But not all people of voting age have driver's licenses. That necessarily means that some sort of secondary government ID card would need to be issued. Do we want that? Another form of I.D. in order to exercise our privilege to vote?

    We've got laws on the books to deal with voter fraud. Enforce them. We don't need another government agency to carry out re-registering citizens.

    Here we have conservatives in favor of a government program so long as it serves their pet issue. Enough!
     
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    What do you mean ANOTHER form of ID - we are only asking for one. Any reasonable person will have some kind of ID.

    So how do you prove that a person voted illegally? Are you saying a person should be considered guilty until proven innocent?


    Governments job is to protect me from other people in actions that I cannot reasonably do myself.

    It is not reasonable for me as an individual to ask or determine if someone is eligible to vote.

    One other thing, you stated in part (and yes I know it took it a bit out of context) But not all people of voting age have driver's licenses. ... Do we want that? ... in order to exercise our privilege to vote?

    Another words, a person has a right to vote, but since he does not have a drivers license - how in carnation will they get to the voting booth?
    From what you stated above - you would believe that the govt has a responsibility to transport people from their home to the voting location.

    Should a person be required to put a US postage stamp on his mail in ballot? Why should a person have to pay to mail his vote into the govt.
    And the list could go on and on....
     
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    photo ID can, and should, be used to register absentee voters. That allows our troops to vote in confidence...unless the Dem's block our votes like they did in 2000.


    Honestly, I am very concerned about dead voters and illegal aliens voting. I am willing to submit to ID verification in order to vote and protect the institution.
     
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    We don't. Voter fraud is rampant in the area of absentee voting.

    Democrats have been caught at it in every election in the last 20 years.
     
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    [edited: I now see that your OP was concerning absentee balloting, not in person balloting.]

    <delete post about in person voting>
     
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    Salty, the link you gave also states that if you do not fill out the driver's license number or social, you have to provide a valid photo id or other government issued proof of identification and if they can't verify it off of that, you will have to show ID the first time you go to vote.

    Yes, I believe voter fraud happens. That's part of why I don't understand why you appear to be against tighter regulations while at the same time being concerned with fraud.

    What are you suggesting is a better solution? :confused:
     
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    How much voter fraud is occuring?

    This seems like another excuse for the government to collect data on people and to make them carry around identification papers.
     
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    1. If a candidate looses an election, by one vote; and one person voted by fraud - then one would be too much.

    2. It appears you are saying that BOE should not maintain a list of registered voters.
    Then I suppose voters would just show up on election day and vote on the honor system.

    As far as requiring people to carry ID is not the same as in Nazi Germany. Their purpose was was to control the movement of the people of Germany.
    In the US, it is simply a means to ID an individual by proper authority.

    And yes, it has been mentioned before, but here in NY, many major stores REQUIRE a drivers license / DMV ID to purchase alcoholic or cigarettes. (even if that person is 80 years old!)
    Do you believe those stores have a right to require ID?
    If a person does not have State/Commonwealth ID, should he be prohibited from buying cigarettes,alcohol, or even - believe it or not - cough syrup!
     
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    I'm more concerned about Republicans rigging the software in the new electronic voting machines.
     
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    Why are you only worried about Republicans?

    Are Democrats too stupid to write software?
     
  16. Salty

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    Hmmm - you do have a point!

    But here in the Empire State, each voting station must have on duty, one person of the top two political parties. Currently that would be the "R" and "D"
     
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    Didn't ACORN have dirty hands from the last round?
     
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    He only says such things to get a rise of people.
     
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    Voter fraud is a way of life in South Texas. It's a science here. That's the major reason almost every elected rep is a "D".
     
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