Waite wadeth into Cassidy's response

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  1. Forever settled in heaven

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    another amazing turn in our discussion of the goings on in the so-called Dean Burgon Society--D.A. Waite generates a lengthy response to Thomas Cassidy's expose, at http://www.biblefortoday.org/Articles/waite_reply.htm

    go to the DBS site for the rest of his drivel.
    :D
     
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    Doc, it looks like "Dr." Waite took offense at your words. I think DBS messed up big time by allowing Waite to become president. I would support a Majority Text/TR organization but it's clear by the above article and by the fact DBS elected Waite President that they are KJVO.
     
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    You must be reading a different article than I did!

    Looks like both "gentlemen" have teeth.

    Rob

    [ April 21, 2006, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Deacon ]
     
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    I read the entire thing on the DBS website and am amazed at the mélange of information that is simply misrepresented! But, as it seems that the posting to Dr. Waite originated with Askjo I am not really surprised. He is well known for being incoherent most of the time. I was especially amused by this comment:
    What Askjo seems to have failed to tell Dr. Waite was that it was he that made that "false implication." I simply responded to his question and answered in the affirmative that it is wrong for anybody to lie. It was Askjo who was implying that something written by some member of the DBS was not true, but when asked for the cite so we could check it ourselves he failed to produce it! [​IMG]
     
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    not only does the good Doctor come across bibliographically challenged (in spite of multiple PhDs n ThDs, he seems unable to document the source of his quotes--namely this site! :D ), but he falsely attributes certain statements to ASKJO.

    Waite: "here was no "dishonesty involved" in either Dr. Cassidy’s need to "separate from DBS," or in "handling of MSS evidence," or about "WH" (Westcott and Hort), or about "readability tests." "Dishonesty" and "lies" are not "all over" my book, DEFENDING THE KING JAMES BIBLE. It is filled with truth as I understand it."

    evidently, Herr Doktor shd work a little harder on understanding the truth. documentation of his current understanding is available in an Online Review of his "Defined King James Bible," at:
    http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/alexandra/849/revDKJB.htm
     
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    Our discussion forum is not designed to discuss discussions taking place on other discussion forums.
     
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    After a couple of requests, and since the issue involves a respected member of our board, I am reopening this thread with this note.

    At the first hint of name-calling on either side it will be closed and deleted.

    This is obviously a heated issue and I won't let it boil over into our discussion board.

    Roger
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    I find Dr. Cassidy to be a man of
    integrity who can be trusted.
     
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    i'm glad the realisation's been made that Waite's reply is not fr "other discussion forums" but is issued directly (no matter how clumsily) in response to this BB forum.

    besides the untruths in his "Defined King James Bible" (as unmasked in http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/alexandra/849/revDKJB.htm), there are several other questions attaching to Waite's reply.

    Waite: There is no "lying" on the part of DBS and its speakers about WH (Westcott and Hort). They were not either Fundamentalists or even Conservatives in their theology. For documented proof of this the reader is referred to my two books: (1) The Theological Heresies of Westcott and Hort (BFT #595), and (2) Bishop Westcott’s Clever Denial of the Bodily Resurrection of Christ (BFT #1131). Further documentation in their own words of their theological heresies is found in their own letters, collected by their sons, under the titles of (1) The Life and Letters of Bishop B. F. Westcott (BFT #1866, 928 pp.) and (2) The Life and Letters of F. J. A. Hort (BFT #1867, 997 pp.).

    rather than peddling his "documented proof," i wonder if Waite has responded to direct refutations at Brian Tegart's WH Resource Ctr: http://www.westcotthort.com/

    Waite: Dr. S. H. Tow is an enthusiastic supporter of that Bible. Dr. Tow’s "bibliology" is neither "radical" nor "divisive" in nature.

    o really? how'bout the hijack of the Far Eastern Bible College n the wreckage of several Bible-Presbyterian churches in Singapore. for evidence, how's this for getting one's head outta the sand: http://www.truth.sg/

    Waite: Though I have only limited knowledge of the Bible-Presbyterian situation in Singapore, I am certain that any such "schism" that might be there is a result of these brethren seeking to establish Biblical truth in the face of unbiblical falsehood. I am sure they did their best to excise the so-called "cancer" unbiblical falsehood. If there was any "wrecking" that was done, it was done by those who refused to take a Biblical approach to the question of verbal plenary preservation of God’s Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Words. Drs. Tow, Khoo, and Quek are sound on these principles.

    what "unbiblical falsehood" is Waite thinking of in terms of believing that the Bible is preserved without the need of a special, infallible "VPP" dispensation for the Trinitarian Bible Society's TR n the Bomberg Hebrew text?

    as for his claim of "limited knowledge of the Bible-Presbyterian situation in Singapore," it wld be interesting to see if Waite wld like to document the number of trips he's made all the way around the world to that tiny republic over the last 15 years, the amount of cashflow that's been generated through them, n the number of pilgrimages by Singaporean delegates to his place in New Jersey. however, check out Waite's own words for a better picture of his "limited understanding":

    http://www.febc.edu.sg/assets/weekly2004/weekly19.htm

    Waite also happened to be one of a tiny handful on the examining committee of Tow's 1st batch of Th.D. graduates, according to http://www.febc.edu.sg/assets/pdfs/bbush/The%20Burning%20Bush%20Vol%2012%20No%201.pdf

    Waite: I disagree that there are "Singaporean disciples of Waite." ... They are "Singaporean disciples" of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I praise God for them! I pray diligently that their tribe might increase

    nice try, but "D.A. Waite," in some of our minds, simply does not equate with "the Lord Jesus Christ."

    i suppose it's possible that those Singaporeans r not disciples of Waite n that it's the other way around (it's interesting to see the backslapping go both ways).

    fwiw, here's something the Tow camp says of Waite: "In the field of textual recognition, Burgon is good, Hills is better, Waite is best."

    http://www.febc.edu.sg/Verbal%20Plenary%20Preservation.htm

    "MacArthur says that Christ’s blood was merely human, but Waite ... "

    http://www.febc.edu.sg/assets/pdfs/bbush/The%20Burning%20Bush%20Vol%204%20No%202.pdf

    "All these years the leadership of BPism in Singapore has been duped by Westcott and Hort until Dr D A Waite, ThD, PhD came to speak to our B-P Churches in 1992. Our eyes were opened ..."

    http://www.febc.edu.sg/assets/treasury_sermons/y2002/treasury_of_sermons02_27oct.htm

    "This position that we have been holding all this time is the same position held by the Westminster divines, the Reformers, the KJV Translators, not forgetting Dean Burgon, E F Hills and D A Waite—all of whom championed the Textus Receptus against Westcott and Hort."

    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:pEnXuck5o_OJ:www.febc.edu.sg/assets/weekly2004/weekly31+waite+site:febc.edu.sg&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=41

    for more instances of genuflecting, go to http://www.google.ca/search?q=waite+site%3Afebc.edu.sg

    if this isn't some form of "discipleship," hmm ... perhaps it's becos i used an understatement?
     
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    I have never seen the DBS deal with the fact that The Dean stated the Textus Receptus could stand a thorough revision. If they're gonna have a society dedicated to that man, why don't they deal with ALL that he wrote?
     
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    I agree! I don't always agree with Dr. Cassidy ( I don't always agree with myself the next day)but he causes me to think and study and that is good.
     
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    If they're gonna have a society dedicated to that man, why don't they deal with ALL that he wrote?

    Because integrity would then require that the society cease to exist. [​IMG]
     
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    I agree! I don't always agree with Dr. Cassidy ( I don't always agree with myself the next day)but he causes me to think and study and that is good. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, I didn't say I always agree
    with Dr. Cassidy [​IMG] I said he was full
    of integrity (the same kind of guy in
    different situations) and you can trust him.
    Come to think of it, He thinks 94% like
    me so give the good Dr. an 'A'! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    It is a pity to see the friendly fire between the believers who are going to stand together in front of the Lord on the Day of Judgment. They should have found better ways to express their disagreement and to point out the errors, as the pointing out the errors is different from the calling someone a liar.
     
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    The DBS is turning into a Society and Institution it was not created to be Eliyahu that's why there is a problem.
     
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    For someone who has no idea who DA Waite or the DBS is, I have to tell you that is the strangest interaction I think I have ever seen. I am utterly confused and at a loss to know what is going on here.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Whenever I discern certain issues or argument between the parties, I check the initial and fundamental points which means whether both parties are or either party is born again or not.
    I have seen several times the vehement fight between the born again believers, one party claimed that the other party was not born again, then vice versa, both of whom in my view were the believers who are going to meet in front of the Lord.
    In such case the Satan has succeeded quite a lot.
     
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    The DBS is the Dean Burgon Society, dedicated to Anglican Church official John Burgon(1813-1888)who was Dean of Chichester Cathedral, Sussex, England, 1876 to his death) From his appointment, he was known as "Dean Burgon" ever since.

    He was an eminent scholar of the Scriptural manuscripts known in his lifetime, and has been selected by some KJVOs as one of their heroes for his scathing criticism of Westcott & Hort. They tend to overlook the fact that he also criticized the Textus Receptus, saying it could stand a thorough revision.

    The DBS' President is Dr. Donald Waite.

    A member of this board was once a mamber of the DBS, but he left it several years ago. He is well able to tell you why.

    Readers, please don't confuse the DBS with the "Burgon Society", an entirely-different org dedicated to the subject of academic dress. The DBS always includes the word "Dean" when referring to itself.
     
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    I noticed Dr. Waite put me on 4 wrong quotations. Forever settled in heaven quoted them. Dr. Waite was correct to put me on ONE right quotation.
     
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    D. A. Waite is one of the leading promoters of a KJV-only view. He is the author of many books that promote a KJV-only view [some examples are below]. His Bible for Today Ministry prints and distributes hundreds of different books and pamphlets that in effect promote a KJV-only view.

    The Authorized Version 1611 Compared to Today's KJV. Collingswood: The Bible for Today, 1985.

    Central Seminary Refuted on Bible Versions. The Bible for Today, 1999.

    The Contemporary English Version: An AntiChrist Version? The Bible for Today, 1996.

    Dean John William Burgon's Confidence in the King James Bible. The Bible for Today, 1995.

    Defects in the New King James Version. The Bible for Today, 1987.

    Defending the King James Bible. Collingswood: The Bible for Today Press, 1992.

    Waite, D. A. (ed.). The Defined King James Bible. Collingswood: The Bible for Today, 1998.

    Foes of the King James Bible Refuted. Collingswood: The Bible for Today Press, 1997.

    Fundamentalist Deception on Bible Preservation.
    Collingswood: The Bible for Today Press, 2005.

    Fundamentalist Mis-Information on Bible Versions. The Bible for Today, 2000.

    "Fundamentalist" Schools' Distortions on Bible
    Versions Refuted. Collingswood: The Bible for Today, 1999.

    Fuzzy Facts From Fundamentalists on Bible Versions. The Bible for Today, 2002.

    Heresies of Westcott and Hort. The Bible for Today, 1998.

    The NKJV Compared to the KJV. The Bible for Today, 1990.

    Textus Receptus & KJV--How & Would When Dean Burgon Revise? Collingswood: The Bible for Today, 1980.

    Theological Errors in the Versions. The Bible for Today, 1992.
     

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