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Wake Up America! Don’t Let Activist Atheists Rewrite History

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Dec 5, 2008.

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    Conservative Christians do not divorce any aspect of life from their Christianity. We do not live dual lives, a Christian one and a secular one. All of our lives are encompassed by our faith in Jesus Christ. And we do not remove ourselves from the public square, political or otherwise. This world is owned by my King and Savior. I shall represent Him everywhere and under every circumstance.
     
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    Amen, Brother, amen!
     
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    Peter said much the same thing to Jesus.

    Mt. 26:34, 35 "Jesus said to him, "Truly I say to you that this [very] night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." Peter said to Him, "Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You." All the disciples said the same thing too. "
     
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    Is this to imply there are Christians who do live dual lives?

    If as you say your life is "encompassed" by your faith in Christ (and I don't doubt it) how is it one can turn their back on a fellowman in need? How is it one can encourage the government to "do nothing" in the face of catastrophic economic failure where many will be jobless, homeless and starving?

    It may not be Governments job to feed the hungry, but I wouldn't think one whose life is encompassed by faith in Jesus Christ would stand in the way or hinder the Government for trying to help.
     
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    We've been over this. Government is the most inefficient way to do and guarantees nothing. It is expensive and it is lazy. Good stewardship is a biblical principle and government fails that standard.
     
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    Good job of playing devil's advocate MP but I would like to point out that part of the atheist objections is written clearly in the OP.

    Many of the founding fathers and authors of the constitution were not protestant Christians or were deist at best. So we, the Christians of the society, push down their throats that this is a Christian nation which totally ignores the constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion (or no religion if you like). Each time we say this is a Christian nation they go to court and win another fight that says it's not.

    I don't think they're RE-WRITING history, I think they are writing history. And I hope they include all American's to include the Jews, African American's, Latinos, Irish etc... The written history of America has been a white protestant interpretation of the events. It might be good to have the silent voices heard.
     
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    More historical revisionism. There were only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin. The others were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown,
     
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    And your calling who, the Episcopalians protestants? The ones who now allow g@y preachers. The Lutherans? The Dutch Reformed? Who was this group of protestants that you call your Christian Brothers?
     
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    Make no mistake there is little to no comparison of these groups then to now. And it shows your assertion that many were deists is incorrect.
     
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    The Episcopalians then are not the Episcopalians of today.
     
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    That's not what I said, this is what I wrote;

    But you presented good support that many weren't protestant Christians.

    Oh, let me add my point was the Words God and Creator in our Constitution meant something different to many of the authors which is why they used those generic terms. It means no matter who your God or Creator is, this applies.
     
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    That argument can be made about all Religions. If Jonathan Edwards could see the Church today, he would totally re-write the infamous "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God".
     
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    Why would he re-write it? Wouldn't it be just as if not more applicable to today's Church?
     
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    Yes, but he could use stronger and more specific analogies since the Church of today doesn't walk as closely with God as they did then. And the evil of our society are further from morality than ever before. He wouldn't understand the openly g@y, or freely fornicating people of this time to say the least...
     
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    I came to know the Lord as my personal Saviour in the church of England; high church to boot. We even had Friday confessions and crossed ourselves as we faced the altar..........Hmmmmmm.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Man has not changed since God created. Just reading the Bible reminds one of the crimes and dead churches. Rev. 2 & 3 list some attributes of what was then and is the same today.

    It was not too many years ago that many churches supported slavery and a number of its members were slave owners.
     
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    Sense we are off topic here I have got to ask who rewrote that out of our history? It seems that we are forever doomed to revisit it. A war was fought to end it. Much blood was shed to secure the slave's freedom.

    Meanwhile we are in a run away train heading for a derailing (and it has already begun to derail) because of our national sin of abortion. The sin of slavery was judged and our modern sin will be too.

    Now back to topic by saying this; If we relegate our Christian heritage as a nation to non-remembrance this nation will see sin such as was never seen sense Sodom. And judgment that has not been experienced sense Noah.
     
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    It is what you wrote even by your second quote?

    "or were deists at best"

    And the words "God and Creator in our Constitution " meant the same as it does to us.
     
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    We should not look to men, no matter how great or small to show how Christian our nation is or is not.

    Here are some interesting quotes from the founding fathers of America on Christianity and religion and two with comments on particular individuals:

    Thomas Jefferson:

    Benjamin Franklin:

    James Madison:

    William Herndon on Abraham Lincoln:

    John Adams:

    Thomas Paine:

    Historian Barry Swartz on G. Washington:

     
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    I am a big believer in keeping in mind our past when when have gone astray. If we do not then we hide it from us so we do not see our sin. Too many today are sweeping their sin under the rug and are paying a price for it.

    For example our nation wants billboards hidden from sight which depict what abortion is actually like and the ills of premarital sex. The SBC has for years trying to sweep some of its history under the rug. They are too often driven by image rather than humility before God. In the rotunda at SWBTS is a painting of B.H. Carroll. The cigar he once held was later painted out. Why cover up the truth. Leon McBeth was asked to write a book on women in Baptist life. He wrote the book as asked and then they killed the book. They have removed books from the library which were remnants of other controversial issues that once were issues in SBC life. The fact is that people will find out the truth and the cover up. The SBC has been losing members the last few years. There is a distrust of the leadership because people feel they will not be told the truth. It serves no purpose to cover up the truth other than to try and erase things they do not like.

    "Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing."
     
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