Warren has an agenda that doesn't include preaching about sin

When I ask a question first, I expect an answer before I answer a rebuttal question.

 

I was asking questions, not per-pet-u-at'n lies

 

I don't know anything about Rick Warren to say one way or the other, but the fact that he has been endorsed by Melissa Etheridge and her "wife" tells me a little something.

I'm being careful not to jump in immediately with a judgement on the matter.

 

Keep telling yourself that.

 

I listened to the clip, and although I don't completely agree with Rev. Graham, he mentions the name of Christ and being called, he sounds a lot like a reformed baptist to me. How ironic!

 

I am thinking that Rick is sitting up at night worrying about all the negative comments about his ministry. Is there a possibility that there are those fellow pastors who would love to have a part in discrediting him?

Maybe if he can be "brought down a notch or two" he will quit going after all the sinners. Gee, what kind of church is Saddleback to have so many lost people attending? Isn't the church suppose to be a place of worship for the saved? Good grief, somebody let Rick in on this novel idea!!

 

Gee...I watched his national TV Resurrection day presentation last night and, sure enough, our sinful condition was clearly articulated.


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I was just going to say the same thing. I have never seen Rick Warren before today, or read his books, as I pretty much stay within the local church. I couldnt sleep, so I was flipping through the channels and found a sermon of his on FOX. Lots of his sermon dealt with sin and the consequences of sin.

You know what I think, I think lots of people on this board need an extra hobby, a job, or maybe a second job, if they have time to sit around and do nothing but bash ministers of the Gospel. My guess is that Rick Warren has done more for the kingdom of God than 99% of those flapping their jaws in this thread. My guess is that the computer is the extent of most people's ministry in this thread.

 

Saturneptune...

Isnt that the truth. Its unbelievably distasteful. And I feel confident that its not only distastful to us, but to Almighty God as well.

His message and presentation last night was just excellant in my opinion.


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There is nothing nastier or meaner than to give an overall impression and to in fact start a thread with the premise that a man's ministry is entirely worthless, yet in your last post you back off to some aspects of his ministry. Like I said, I never saw the man speak until this morning, and know nothing about him, but your rants on him and his message this morning to not match.

This is a debate forum. If you cannot take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. I did not mention any names about people needing extra hobbies, as it was just a general comment. One point you are right is that what people do is none of my business, as the relationship between Rick Warren and God is none of yours.

 

Your comments remind me of the time I asked a young man who was complaining about the church he was attending at the time. I asked him to name some who were living for Jesus Christ because of his life. He had lived in the same area his entire life and was complaining about his church but could not name one person who was living for Christ because of his life.


From the book Growing True Disciples by George Barna , pages 128-132

Let's Be Real

Truthfully, while disciple-making must be a priority for you, by whatever means you select, you must enter the process with your eyes open. What happens when you make true disciples - not just students or group members, but real zealots for Christ?

Peoples lives change
The collection of disciples - the true Church - gains favor with the world.
Society is changed by the disciples.
Society experiences turmoil as a result of the Church being true to God's truths and commands.
Disciples are persecuted.

 

Would you mind if we took a look at the impact you are having where you live and work. That impacts the church too. Jesus said, "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

 

Matt...

What???

I sure hope this is a case of you not articulating yourself well or something.

If not, what do you recommend? We walk around with "God Hates Fags" signs like those folks out in Kansas or wherever they are from?

Or that we shout "Unclean! Unclean!" or "Sinner!" when we see one?

I work with some homosexuals and I am just as friendly with them as I am with anyone else. Why shouldnt I be? By doing so, when God opens a door for me to witness they seem to be willing to listen. I dont think many homosexuals have stopped to chat with the "God hates fags" bunch, do you?

Last time I checked Jesus Christ had some prostitute friends that he was very kind to, and as a result they warmed to his message in due time. And plenty of other good old "wicked" people that came to love Him and embrace Him after His kindness to them.

Please tell me you didnt communicate your view accurately or something up there.


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