Warrenites arise! Time to defend your leader again.

I wondered about this very same thing, and the term "milk" term came to mind when listening to the link. So I'll ask....

Do you think he may partly be using those terms and examples (such as getting another chance) to simplify the explanation of salvation? Maybe to provide "milk" to listeners since that is the general level of most people? The media often only allows him a few minutes to speak.
He may use biblical terms and explain Salvation more thoroughly when preaching to his congregation.

 

I think that's exactly what he's doing, Joe. I took the "second chance" comment as pertaining to mankind, not individuals. You would never think that the way the guy just cut in and "interpreted" what RW meant based on his presupposition.

On problem I have with the Way of the Master is their view that focusing on sin and wrath is the ONLY way to present the Gospel. That is one way, but God's mercy, God's love are also part of The Gospel.

 

You cannot be without one or the other. And the Way of the Master is balanced.

 

Rick Warren is one of the most dangerous leaders in the claimed christian church of today. he has false messages that are full of half truths and hidden agenda.

 

Amen

I couldn't agree more.

 

...and you both have swallowed that line of thinking as many have.

Please supply what is "dangerous" about the 5 purposes PDL is based on.

 

Everybody can come up with his "false" teachings, but I have yet to see anyone explain his false teachings. Bottom line, he isn't a traditionalist and don't do it the way "we have always done it." If someone is against his teachings, please go through some of them and explain where he is wrong, don't just say "his teachings are dangerous." Show us.

Edit: I have both books, purpose life and purpose church. We can look through where he is dangerous.

 

There is so much to explain about this man because he is so deceptiive that it would take up page after page. He is like a quick channge artist with words. So instead of that here are some links for anyone to look over;

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/questions/RickWarren_growth.html

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/RickWarren.htm

http://dailydiscernment.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/false-teaching-rick-warren-encourages-lying-to-children/

 

Instead of supplying links of those with a like agenda...why not tell me yourself. Start with the five purposes, and why they are "dangerous".

 

Like webdog, I would like to know what Beth and freeatlast (or any other anti-RWite for that matter) thinks is so dangerous about his teachings. Namely his five purposes. I'll even help you out by posting them:

We were planned for God’s pleasure, so your first purpose is to offer real worship.
We were formed for God’s family, so your second purpose is to enjoy real fellowship.
We were created to become like Christ, so your third purpose is to learn real discipleship.
We were shaped for serving God, so your fourth purpose is to practice real ministry.
We were made for a mission, so your fifth purpose is to live out real evangelism.

http://www.purposedrivenlife.com/en-US/AboutUs/AboutTheBook/AboutTheBook.htm

Feel free to tear that apart and prove your points to us.

 

My SS class went through his PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE, and while I did not agree with all his methods/conclusions etc. I found nothing to become alarmed about as to heresy and/or false teachings.

A little elaboration from the detractors with quotes of RW, in context of course, would be appreciated.

Be a lot easier to discuss (if that's the point) if we know your take rather than just some 3rd party, and you saying "YEAH!"

 

Deception

I'm posting this commentary because this man's take on Purpose Driven is exactly mine.

I also tried to read the Purpose Driven Life a few years back. I couldn't get past the first three pages, because I didn't recognize the Bible quotes. I also had to go back to the list of "bibles", find the Bible reference in a real Bible (NOT the the "translation" called "Message") and then go back and reread Rick's paragraph to see whether he was using the reference correctly.

What I decided was that the Bible was good enough for me. ...sufficient for my instruction.

Here is the commentary which sums up my take on Rick Warren.

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue80.htm

Really, in all love, please folks don't go following a man. Just the title of this thread sets off HUGE red lights for me....even calling yourself a Warrenite simply contradicts Scripture.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 ¶ Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Apparently, this subject is emotional for the followers of Warren, so this will be my last post on this thread. Please pray that the Lord give you discernment and understanding, that the Holy Spirit lead you to all Truth.

Your sister in Christ,
Beth

 

On a message board where nothing is ABSOLUTE, why do you folks think that a humanistic ministry wouldn't be the rage?

 

Truth is absolute even when rejected.

 

I am not a follower of RW. Webdog and I merely asked you to refute his five points without using other peoples words. It seems you still can't do it. You can't refute his five points because it is Biblical. You are contradicting your self with the follow a man analogy because you can't even put into your own words(with quotes of RW) where he is teaching unbiblical truths. The above two posters can't either. All I here is about truth being rejected by RW. Show us where. Beth all you do is copycat what you read on the net, and because he has the biggest congregation in American SB. I have yet to see one line of refuting his work here other than web pages that are against him. Do any of you know that he gives away 90% of what he makes. I dare say none of us even get close to those percentages. He has money and a big Church and people have to question how he does it. He is working for the Gospel , let him work. There is a difference in seeker sensitive and seeker friendly. He is seeker sensitive in that he keeps the Gospel message and takes away the stumbling blocks. Seeker friendly changes to message to attract the audience. RW doesn't do that. If you people can't use your own words and not copycat the net, I would just remain silent. Again, where is he wrong in his 5 points?

We were planned for God’s pleasure, so your first purpose is to offer real worship.
We were formed for God’s family, so your second purpose is to enjoy real fellowship.
We were created to become like Christ, so your third purpose is to learn real discipleship.
We were shaped for serving God, so your fourth purpose is to practice real ministry.
We were made for a mission, so your fifth purpose is to live out real evangelism.


Where is he going wrong here? Beth, you say this guy's words are exactly how you feel. How did you come to think just like him? Show just one example of where his ministry has affected you or has changed the gospel. Stand up and use your experiences and words, not copycat stuff.

 

Great! Where is the scripture to back them up? Done.

 

You're making it sound as if the critics of RW attack him solely on the basis of is '5 points'. That's not true. I've read the book at the library, and I think it is a good message for Christians to hear. It actually encouraged me. I think the danger, at least the danger that I see, is the way he preaches the Gospel. The major criticism is that he doesn't portray sin as diabolical, and doesn't emphasize God's wrath enough. Whether or not this is true, we can debate it. But he is widely influential, and as Christians we have an obligation to earnestly contend for the faith, so I don't see what is wrong with critically assessing his teachings and his 'tone'.

I think my big disagreement with him on the Christmas sermon was that he used 'loneliness' as a draw card. He spoke of the peace, love, and joy that Christians experience, and used that to drive people to Christ. I would say the best sermon that refutes this notion, is Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ray Comfort. You can get it at www.wayofthemaster.com . It is preached by Kirk Cameron and it's entitled, 'Soundly Saved'.

 

Scripture? The whole of the Bible is based exactly on those 5 principles.

 

Amen. Well said.:thumbs: