Was Adam perfect or did he have a weakness?

God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. Adam and Satan were not.

 

Well, I think it is pretty obvious that Adam had a weakness for fruit. :laugh:

Adam was created in perfection otherwise God would not have said it was good and He has made it abundantly clear that he conciders only perfection to be good. Now God did not create him to be omniscent, omnipresent, or omnipotent, but I would not say that is a weakness per say.

 

Moreso than the fruit was Adam's weakness for his wife. His thought process seemed to be that it was better to die with her than to live without her.

God knew that man would sin and put in place a plan to deal with that sin. I wouldn't call Satan a servant, as that implies a willingness to serve. Satan has no willingness to serve anybody.

Yes, the first thing I completely agree on.

 

You beat me to that line. I had the same exact thought about the fruit! :thumbsup: Great minds run in the same gutter, I once heard someone say. Take it for what it's worth. :tongue3: :laugh:

Ed

 

Did I read it wrongly, or does Scripture say, after the creation of man (male and female), that "God saw (even though He had known this from before the outset)... that it was 'very good'", whereas before that, it was only said that "God saw that it was good" or merely "and it was so"?

Ed

 

Adam fell into sin - not because God made him "defective" but because in a sinless holy state he was given free will and was tempted and chose to sin.

It really is that simple.

Today humans are born with sinFUL natures - we are inclined to sin from birth according to Romans 3. Adam was created sinLESS - in perfect harmony with God and God's Law - as is our "New Birth" "New Creation" New nature given to us at conversion. But in our case we then have BOTH a sinFUL nature and a new-creation nature with the "Law of God written on the tablets of the human heart" Heb 8 (under the "New Covenant" promise of the ONE Gospel -- the promise that has been fulfilled to all saints in all of time starting with Adam after his fall.)

In Christ,

Bob

 

.......and God knew that, that would happen. That fact is at the heart of xd's question. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit, were already in existence before creation. The mission that Jesus was given was given to Him before creation. This is that area where man must leave his brains at the door, seeking to understand only from the spiritual nature. Does his seeking fall short of an answer? Are there limits to what we are permitted to know? Could we comprehend it, even if we saw it all repeated, in 3 dimensions, on a screen that stretched across the night sky?

Not to worry! The Good News remains the same, regardless of man's imperfect understanding of its ultimate origin.

 

Adam's weakness? Fruit. Oh yeah, and women. Fruit and women.

 

Was Adam perfect or did he have a weakness?

Not until he lost part of his support structure-- a rib.

 

Romans: 8
"20": For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

He was without sin but he could sin, seems to me if he was perfect he would not of been able to sin.

 

Sure is. Bet he wished he could have "overs"

 

How are you 'defining' "perfect" here? Especially since it obviously does not mean 'not "able" to sin'?

Ed

 

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If Lucifer could sin as a perfect being without being tempted by anyone then does this not also mean that christians could still sin in heaven? Because in heaven it'll be the same situation again

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Lucifer sinned not because of outside temptation but because of pride.

 

You have elected to define "perfect" as "not able" to sin. By that definition all the angels in heaven are "imperfect" even the loyal faithful ones.

And God who makes them capable of sin - is then flawed -- by that definition.

 

agreed, I take Christ as being perfect and Adam had a flaw in that he could sin if he chose.

 

All nature will be left behind so those kind of things to do or think about won't exist as tears will be wiped away also.