Was Christ Ignorant of OSAS?

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  1. Heavenly Pilgrim

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    Mt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
    Mt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee


    Mt 5:13 ¶ Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

    Mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    Mt 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
    Mt 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
    Mt 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
    Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
    Mt 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

    HP: Did someone forget to instuct our Lord that OSAS trumps any and all possibilities of a believer ending up in hell????
     
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    Did anyone tell you PRIDE and AROGANCE is a sin and you might loose your salvation? Are you calling people false teachers who believe in Eternal Security? You don't know much how to reason or debate without stooping so low as to say "Did someone forget to instuct our Lord " Blasphemy! Again if you believe you can loose your salvation because of sin....then Heavenly haven't you lost yours and no longer have the ability nor discernment to know that you have?
     
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    JK, do you have any insight into the passages of Scripture in the OP, or is your sum total input merely condeming the poster??:wavey:
     
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    If you are so ingnorant to use such a Blasphemous statment..... you should be exposed not rewarded.
     
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    HP: Funny you would even consider such. How many times (too numerous to count) have I heard DHK and many others use the expressing something like this: “If that is true, (or not true)_God is a liar.” Is that a blasphemous question? Of not why not?
     
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    This is the no spin zone.
     
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    Are you serious HP?

    Do you believe that Jesus was teaching us here that commandment keeping brings eternal life?
     
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    HP,

    I have a question,

    Would you like God to judge your eternal destiny by the law on any given day?
     
  9. Jedi Knight

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    steaver.....don't be so candid...... if we get what we deserve it wouldn't be pretty!
     
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    Interesting. Lots of invectives being hurled at Heavenly Pilgrim but no one seems interested in addressing the words of our Lord that HP has cited. If anyone gets around to it, I would like to also see them address Matthew 25:31-46.
     
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    The thread title has nothing to do with the cited verses!
     
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    Exactly,HP was trolling.
     
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    How about you Zenas?

    Would you like God to judge your eternal destiny by the law on any given day?
     
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    I did not see your address of the text. Do you believe it means commandment keeping brings eternal life also?
     
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    In defense of the Biblical doctrine of eternal security, 50 reasons a born again person cannot lose his salvation:

    1. ETERNAL LIFE IS ETERNAL! John 3:15; 10:28; Romans 6:23; 1 John 2:25; 5:11; 5:13; etc.; By definition eternal means never ending. Once a believer has eternal life it can never be taken away. If it could be it would not be eternal!

    2. EVERLASTING LIFE IS EVERLASTING! Daniel 12:2; John 3:16; 3:36; 5:24; 6:40; 6:47; Romans 6:22; etc.; Likewise, everlasting life can never end. It is everlasting regardless of the believer’s behavior.

    3. IT IS GOD’S WILL! John 6:39; It is God’s will that Christ lose none of those who come to Him.

    4. HEAVEN IS RESERVED FOR HIM! 1 Peter 1:4; An inheritance in Heaven is reserved for the believer.

    5. SALVATION (INHERITANCE) IS INCORRUPTIBLE! 1 Peter 1:4; No one can corrupt something God has made incorruptible.

    6. SALVATION (INHERITANCE) CANNOT BE DEFILED! 1 Peter 1:4; No one can defile something which God says cannot be defiled.

    7. HE IS SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! Ephesians 1:13; No power in Heaven or earth can break God’s seal.

    8. HE IS SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION! Ephesians 4:30; The believer is sealed until the day God redeems his body.

    9. HOLY SPIRIT WILL ABIDE FOREVER! John 14:16-17; The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is permanent.

    10. HE IS PRESERVED FOREVER! Psalm 37:28; God preserves the saint forever.

    11. HE IS BORN OF GOD! John 1:12-13; The believer actually becomes God’s child and cannot be “unborn.”

    12. HE IS A NEW CREATURE! 2 Corinthians 5:17; God has made the believer a new creature and no one can “uncreate” him.

    13. HE IS CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS! Ephesians 2:10; The saint was created in his Saviour.

    14. HE IS PRESERVED UNTO THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM! 2 Timothy 4:18; The believer is preserved like Paul since God is no respecter of persons.

    15. HE IS KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD! 1 Peter 1:5; Since God is keeping him, the believer cannot fall from salvation.

    16. CHRIST HAS PRAYED FOR HIM! John 17:11; Jesus prayed that God would keep all who He had given Him. Has Christ ever prayed a prayer that was not answered?

    17. WORKS CANNOT AFFECT HIS SALVATION! Romans 11:6; Salvation is not gained by works, so it cannot be lost by works.

    18. HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS! Romans 4:5; It is faith which brings salvation to a believer.

    19. NOTHING CAN SEPARATE HIM FROM THE LOVE OF CHRIST! Romans 8:38-39; Nothing material, immaterial, past, present, or future can separate a believer from Christ’s love.

    20. SALVATION IS OF THE LORD! Jonah 2:9; Salvation is all God’s work. He bought it and provided it.

    21. GOD IS ABLE TO KEEP HIM! 2 Timothy 1:12; The believer’s salvation rests on God’s omnipotent ability to keep him.

    22. HE IS PROMISED NOT TO COME INTO CONDEMNATION! John 5:24; This promise would be broken if even one believer fell into eternal condemnation.

    23. HE IS PROMISED TO NEVER PERISH! John 10:27-28; Every saint has an unconditional promise to never perish.

    24. HE WILL NEVER BE CAST OUT! John 6:37; Under no condition will any believer be cast out from Christ or Heaven.

    25. ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD TO HIM! Romans 8:28; It would not be good for one to lose his salvation.

    26. HE IS IN CHRIST’S HAND! John 10:28; The believer is in his Saviors hand.

    27. HE IS IN THE FATHER’S HAND! John 10:29-30; The saint is in his heavenly Father’s hand.

    28. HE IS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, A SHEEP! John 10:27-28; A sheep represents a saved person and cannot change from being one.

    29. GOD’S MERCY NEVER ENDS! Titus 3:5; The believer is saved by God’s mercy and it endures forever (Psalm 136).

    30. GOD CANNOT LIE! Titus 1:2; Once God has saved a believer, He cannot go back on His word.

    31. HIS SINS ARE GONE FOREVER! Psalm 103:12; Micah 7:19; Isaiah 38:17; 44:22; Hebrews 10:17; The saints sins are gone.

    32. HE SHALL BE LIKE CHRIST! 1 John 3:2; It is a certainty that the believer will be like Christ.

    33. GOD SEES HIM AS ALREADY GLORIFIED! Romans 8:30; The saint is as good as glorified in God’s sight.

    34. HE IS BORN OF INCORRUPTIBLE SEED! 1 Peter 1:23; The Christian’s new birth was from incorruptible seed.

    35. HE WILL APPEAR WITH CHRIST IN GLORY! Colossians 3:4; The saint is promised to appear with Christ when He returns.

    36. HE IS HIDDEN IN CHRIST! Colossians 3:3; The believer is dead to the world and alive in Christ.

    37. HE IS DEAD TO AND FREED FROM SIN! Romans 6:2-7; Sin can no longer affect the saint’s destiny. He is freed from it.

    38. THE LORD IS NOW PRAYING FOR HIM! Hebrews 7:25; The Lord is presently interceding in the believer’s behalf.

    39. GOD WILL FINISH WHAT HE STARTED! Philippians 1:6; God began the work of salvation and will finish it.

    40. HE HAS ETERNAL REDEMPTION! Hebrews 9:12; Every believer has been eternally redeemed from his sins.

    41. HIS LIFE IS CHRIST’S LIFE! Colossians 3:4; The saints life is Christ’s very own life, so how could it be lost?

    42. HE HAS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH GOD! Hebrews 13:20; God made a covenant to give the saint everlasting life.

    43. HE IS KEPT FROM FALLING BY CHRIST! Jude 24; A Christian cannot fall from grace because Christ is keeping him.

    44. SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT! Romans 6:23; A free gift is given with no conditions.

    45. HE HAS IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS! Romans 4:6-7; The righteousness the saint has is Christ’s perfect righteousness.

    46. HE IS A PART OF CHRIST! Ephesians 5:30; Every believer is a part of Christ’s body. “Bone of His bone....”

    47. CHRIST IS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF HIS SALVATION! Hebrews 12:2; Christ began and will finish his salvation.

    48. HE HAS BEEN PREDESTINATED TO BE CONFORMED TO CHRIST’S IMAGE! Romans 8:29; After salvation the believer is predestined.

    49. CHRIST’S BLOOD HAS MADE PEACE FOR HIM! Colossians 1:20; The saint has peace with God through the blood.

    50. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN SO HE COULD BELIEVE AND KNOW! 1 John 5:13; The saint can know he HAS ETERNAL SALVATION!

    If we could really lose our salvation, then Hebrews 6:4-6 says that if we ever sin after being saved, we'll be lost forever with no way back, because the Lord would have to be crucified all over again to retrieve us. BTW, it only takes one sin to fall away, right? I mean, one sin before we're saved was enough to condemn us, so one sin after we're saved is enough to condemn us, right? Doesn't this make the New Covenant worse than the Old? Under the Old Covenant, the Israelites were condemned for their actions, but we'd be condemned for our thoughts.

    For example, they couldn't murder. We couldn't even be angry. They couldn't commit adultery. We couldn't even have a lustful thought. If you're right, then we lose our salvation by doing less in following the law than the Israelites did!

    Is this really the Good News of Jesus Christ? Are these the riches of His Grace, that we have to live in fear of sinning? Are we saved by grace only to be placed under the constraints of an even more severely administered law? You exult in your supposed "victory" over OSAS, but have you considered what eternal insecurity actually means in everyday life?
     
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    Seems pretty clear to me that our salvation depends on what we do while we are here. Jesus did not say He would reward those who are saved according to their deeds. He is referring to every man, both the saved and the unsaved. But I'm sure you will spin it to try and make it say something else. The OSAS crowd has to do that with a lot of scripture.
     
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    Well you unkind attitude "contempt" towards "OSAS" makes you worthy of the kingdom? Can unkindness keep you out of Heaven? Or will you spin your way out?
     
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    How about you Zenas?

    Would you like God to judge your eternal destiny by the law on any given day?
     
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    This is a tactic commonly known as "poisoning the well". Not only is it a logical fallacy, it's also very childish and tells us that you're not sincere and are not willing to listen to anything anyone else has to say.
     
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    Amazing how the "I can fall away" guys are so proud of their stance yet their unkind attitude "poisoning the well" is ok.
     

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