Was Ike Talking About the Tea Party?

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    Obviously he was not as the Tea Party did not exist in 1952, but some of their ideas were being voiced by a few people. His comment is very plain on his feelings about their ideas.

    I accidentally ran across this quote by Eisenhower this morning and found it quite interesting:

     
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    So, crabby, are you saying folks who support the Tea Party are insignificant and stupid?

    I eagerly await your evasion.
     
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    Is the quote from me or from Eisenhower? I simply said I thought it an interesting quote.

    There are many interesting quotes. Some I agree with and some I disagree with. The OP is not about me, but Eisenhower and his take on these ideas.
     
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    Let's try this again.

    Do you think that Tea Partiers are insignificant and stupid?

    How 'bout an answer?
     
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    The problem here is that the Tea Party does not want to "abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws".

    They simply want to make changes to them.
     
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    Insignificant? In the long run probably they are. Too far from the center. Historically any group that strays too far from the center does not last long.

    Stupid? Practically?...I am not sure. As with any movement some are smart and some are not so smart. What is it that really motivates the smart ones? If it is their own political gain then they are being dishonest, and I expect there are those who are doing just that. If they truly believe in what they are saying ... and there seems to be no one clear consistent message other than a smaller government which is never really defined or explained...then it is hard to say how smart they are and how much they really understand or do not understand. There seems to be no coherent philosophy from the group as of yet.

    Stupid? Politically?...probably because of the answer on insignificant, yes not smart politically. Perhaps 'stupid' is too extreme. Ignorant may be a better term. There is a huge difference between stupid and ignorant.

    I am in sympathy with the idea of a smaller, lean, efficient government. I am not sure how that will come about. But it will not be with a meat axe approach.

    What do you believe Eisenhower was talking about. Which aspect? Politically or practically?
     
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    When you have monstrosities eating up our economy, saddling us with innumerable piles of debt, and threatening to bankrupt our nation, sometimes a scalpel isn't enough.

    Eisenhower was more of a statist than I am. We must make major changes to these programs, or else they will bankrupt us.

    I find it humorous that your position would cause you to consider many of our Founding Fathers "ignorant."

    That there's funny.
     
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    I find it funny that Crabby started yet another thread that is based on a false premise.
     
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    The monster was fueled when Bush cut taxes, turned a budget surplus into a deficit and then entered an expensive and totally unjust war in Iraq. It was projected that if those events had not taken place we would be running a billion dollar surplus a year by now. I was saying by 2004 that in the long run I was not sure the US would survive as a major political world player and it was because of the GOP and Bush misguided policies.

    The events of the last two years have not helped and I expect the policies of the new Congress will not help either.

    Bush already bankrupted the US. It is just getting worse, primarily because of his misguided presidency and the price we have had to pay and are paying. Are we following the right course now? I don't know. I am not an economist. I do know that we cannot run a deficit forever. But I am not optimistic that politicians in either party will do what needs to be done as that would be politically unpopular and cost them re-election.

    Now that is a stretch. The founding fathers were not tea party folk in the modern sense of the word.

    Of course they lived in a very different world than we do now. It would be interesting if they could come back and tell us what they think of modern America.
     
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    Crabby, why have you gone so far off topic?

    No other choice when your OP premise is false?

    Why not just drop it then?
     
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    Just answering questions.

    What is your opinion on what Eisenhower was saying?

    How are your off topic questions germane?
     
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    What off topic questions?

    Your premise is false.

    The Tea Party does not want to elimiate social security, unemployment or abolish labor laws.

    So in answer to your thread title question - No.

    My opinion as to the quote is that it would depend upon the times and the circumstances.

    Ending social security or unemployment may at some point in time be the proper thing to do - not currently but at some time, who knows.

    When that time comes - if it ever does - then it would not be the end to the political party that proposes it.

    What is the point to this thread?
     
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    Ahhh, the good ole' days when a President could go on primetime TV and call people stupid...... and a REPUBLICAN one at that! He would get crucified for doing such today.
     
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    The tea party is the grandchild of the John Birch Society.
     
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    Just as unions are the granchildren of Stalin and communism.
     
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    Unions go back to the ancient craft guilds. Read "Giants Of The Earth," one of the best historical novels ever written.
     
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    First...how on earth can you so consistently derail your own thread? Pick a topic, man.

    Second...I don't recall being a staunch defender of Bush (see how much fun intellectual honesty can be? You should try it sometime.). But if you think that the Iraq war has financially strapped us worse than Medicaid, Medicaire, and Social Security, then perhaps it's time to cash that reality check you've been holding on to.

    Third...you are aware, aren't you, that there was an election in 2008, and your man was anointed? (you know, that feller that makes your leg tingle?) You are aware, aren't you, that Obama is spending money at a pace that makes Bush's irresponsible spending look tame? You are aware, aren't you, that the fiscal irresponsibility seriously ramped up under a democratic Congress? (I realize your lack of intellectual honesty prohibits you from admitting such--but I wanted to make sure the rest of the class knew).

    Forgive me for paraphrasing your quotes, but I saw no sense in re-typing the junk you put down to start with. Heck--my paraphrase is more accurate, anyhow...

    Insofar as tea party (which, BTW, is not a political party, but a philosophical re-surgence in American politics) folks promote limited government, individual liberty, and personal responsibility, I strongly feel they would most identify with tea party principles--far above the Republican establishment, or the Democratic powerbrokers. And IMHO it's pretty plain that that is the case. Much of what tea party backers have to say are quotations from some of our Founding Fathers.

    Of course the FF's weren't perfect. Many were quite flawed individuals. But I have no doubt they'd be disturbed at the high number of people in power who more closely reflect the position, policies, and attitudes of King George rather than the upstart patriots who made this country what it is. They would have little use for the empire-building that goes on. Or the wealth envy. Or the elevation of sloth to a positive character trait. Or the erosion of personal responsibility. Or the disgusting attitude of "if you want something done right, you have to get government to do it."

    ***Moderator note: Statement in quote is unfounded---rbell--if you can give us the exact post in which crabtownboy is quoted as saying such--I will reinstate the removed portion of quote***
     
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    Just because an entity was honorable centuries ago--does not make it so now. Organizations evolve. Or, in the case of unions, de-evolve.

    Shifting gears...

    A lexical aid here.

    CTB's unabridged dictionary, 2nd edition:

    "Off-topic" - n. -- "A post for which I have absolutely no answer." (note: CTB, by definition, cannot post "off-topic.").

    For more information, see:
    • "homework assignment;"
    • "unrelated question;" or
    • "convenient disappearance."
     
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    Is it a board violation to put say a person has said something very negative that they never said.

    Raybell in an entry had the following:

    I have never called Bush Satan or said that everything is Bush's fault. You are attempting to say I said this and I didn't. I've never even thought it. It is true that I have criticized him as I believe he was a disaster for the US. I would like an apology.
     
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    >Just because an entity was honorable centuries ago--does not make it so now.

    Was there ever an honorable major political party?
     

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