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Featured Was Jesus a Pacifist?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Rebel, Feb 24, 2015.

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    You are correct. That passage is not hyperbole and is in fact literal.
     
    #61 Revmitchell, Feb 28, 2015
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    :laugh: maybe it's both
     
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  3. Rebel

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    I still haven't seen you post accurately about anything I said. I wonder why.

    Where is your "City of God" post? I must have missed it.
     
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  4. Rebel

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    You could be right. :)
     
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    Was Jesus a pacifist?

    That may be a stretch depending on the definition of pacifism. However It's pretty clear that during his ministry, and in his teaching to the disciples, he practiced and advocated non-violence.

    Yes, God judges and God kills and yes Jesus will return in righteous judgment pouring out the wrath of God, but that's him not us. Anyone who thinks the sword of his mouth means he'll actually use a sword to defeat his enemies is just flat delusional. Also, notice that Jesus is covered in blood before the battle in Revelation 19.

    Christ would be (and certainly is) against the almost blind pro-war nationalism that is present in much of American Christianity today. Our readiness for war over peace is shameful.
     
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    Unfortunately this simply won't happen. It is far too emotional of a topic for some people and they are incapable of examining the arguments fairly.
     
    #66 RLBosley, Mar 1, 2015
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    All this talk about bloodthirstiness.... Without the shedding blood there is no forgiveness (Hebrews 9:22), and the only sacrifice acceptable required shed blood. Is God "bloodthirsty" or not?
     
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    You don't say. Too focused on other things ? Look for it. It's there. You weren't able to get it edited, or deleted, yet.
     
    #68 Bro. Curtis, Mar 1, 2015
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    Nonsense. See any respected commentary.
     
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    We aren't talking about war exclusively, we are talking self-defense.
     
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    No, it is not just another person's opinion. It is based the cited works of some of the world's leading Evangelical New Testament scholars, men called to be teachers in the Church.

    https://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/of-ponds-and-pitfalls/
     
    #71 shodan, Mar 1, 2015
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    And I also think the constant misrepresentation of people who believe in self defense as "ready for war" is not helping.
     
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    It's still an opinion. Just like the scholars and others who have been called, who would disagree with it. Opinions.
     
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    Even scholars, leading or otherwise, and male teachers of the Church can be misguided sometimes - allowing emotional beliefs to sway their discernment and even leading men can sometimes be, well, as the above blog says, "arbitrary".

    Even Billy Graham was wrong sometimes - as much as I love that man, I can show you times where even he was arbitrary.

    I don't believe that I was being arbitrary in my posts. I tried my dead-level best to present the words of Jesus just as they were and just as they were meant.

    I hate violence and war. Avoid it at as best one can, says me. But it is a part of this world sometimes.

    Yes, Christians are to overlook offenses (turn the other cheek) - it says so in Proverbs, also. In fact, it says that it is to a person's glory to overlook an offense.

    But if a thief break into my mother's house while I am visiting her and hits her across the left side of her head with the butt end of his gun, I am not going to stand there like a statue and pray that she turns her head and allows him to hit her on the right side of her head.

    For those who believe that Jesus was encouraging blind and passive submission to harm and destruction - well, I believe based on Jesus' instructions to his disciples that this is - well, an arbitrary teaching.
     
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    Respected by who?
     
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    I have no problem with anything you said in this post.
     
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    I agree with you. I don't see anything that I would disagree with.
     
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    Probably true.
     
    #78 Rebel, Mar 1, 2015
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    Wow, I didn't know I had such power.

    Yes, I do have a life outside this forum, and sometimes I do miss things that have been posted. If the post to which you are referring is in this thread, I'll try to find it. You must think that it's offensive or against forum rules, or you wouldn't have said what you did.
     
    #79 Rebel, Mar 1, 2015
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    If this is the post you meant, then yes I read it: http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2196861&postcount=55

    My response: So? And why would I want it deleted?
     
    #80 Rebel, Mar 1, 2015
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