Was Jesus Christ a Jew by Blood ?

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    Many today believe Jesus Christ is or was a Jew by Blood, however that is impossible !

    You see, Jesus was not born by blood, and Jn 1:13 can also apply to Him Jn 1:13

    13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    He did not have Joseph's Blood, for he was not the natural father of Jesus Christ; nor did He have mary's blood, but He generated His own Blood while in the womb of the virgin.

    Acts 20:28

    28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    Jesus Christ was a Jew in the Truest sense Rom 2:28-29

    28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    His Praise was not of men, but of God.

    It was written of some ethnic jews this Jn 12:43

    For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

    So ethnic jews by blood have no claim on Jesus Christ, none whatsoever, but only Jews that have circumcision of heart, who are inwardly jews, and whose praise is not of men, but of God !
     
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    Disclaimed Blood Relatives !

    While on this Earth, the Lord Jesus Christ never really made no claims to blood ties, in fact He always said things to indicate that He cared nothing about them, and promoted only spiritual relationships ! Mk 3:31-35

    31There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

    32And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

    33And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

    34And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

    35For whosoever[Jew or Gentile] shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


    Jesus did not take pride in ethnic blood relations ! For He knew that He was from God and would be shortly returning back to God ! Jn 16:27

    For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

    His origin was not out of mary !33
     
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    And you know this how?
     
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    I should have been more precise with my question but I was thinking of DNA and parentage, rather than plasma and corpuscles. Is it your position that Mary was not the biological mother of Jesus?
     
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    I will be posting more of what I believe. Did you read and understand my points in my first 2 posts ? Please review with me those points even though you may not agree with them.
     
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    John 1:13 does not apply to Jesus, who is and always was the Son of God. He never became anything other than a man. By your line of reasoning none of have the blood of our parents so no one can be born “of blood” and this would render the phrase used by John completely meaningless.

    • Acts 20:28 has no relevance to this question. Everyone who bleeds has their own blood. However, it may also be Jewish blood, or Arabic blood, etc. It would be nonsensical and totally out of context to say Jesus purchased the church of God with Jewish blood.

    Romans 2:28-29 is simply one of several places where Paul explains that we who believe in Christ are beneficiaries of the promise to Abraham. However, Paul always continued to recognize the ethnic Jewish people as a distinct group, and he was proud to be a part of that group. E.g., Acts 22:3.

    • Your claim about Jesus caring nothing about His lineage and ethnicity is just not true. The example you gave from Mark 3 is only one of many instances where Jesus used hyperbole to make His point. Jesus knew He was sent to the ethnic Jews. In fact He never took His ministry out of Palestine and in one instance He referred to Gentiles as dogs. “25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” Matthew 15:25-28.

    • You asked that I comment on your posts and I have. I’m not sure where you are going with this but to say that Jesus was not a Jew because he was not the son of Mary is nonsensical, also untrue.
     
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    Excellent research!
    Started on 26 Feb 2012, and 289 posts before it was closed in less than a month on 23 Mar 2012, -
    All that SBM did was copy and paste. (other than some bold and links) the entire post # 1 here is word for word.

    I'm taking odds that this one will be closed before 100 posts.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I was just thinking the same thing...then I got down to these posts. I didn't realize it was that long ago (although two years isn't that long, I suppose).
     
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    A woman by nature is unclean Job 14:1-4

    1Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble.

    2He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not.

    3And doth thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee?

    4Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

    Now Mary, the Mother if Christ was unclean, but yet scripture says that Christ was made of a woman Gal 4:4

    4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    But woman by nature scripture says is unclean. That word unclean Job 14:4 is the hebrew word tame' and means:


    unclean, impure

    a) ethically and religiously

    b) ritually

    c) of places

    It is also translated defiled, polluted, pollution !

    Now Christ, being born of a woman, yes a sinful woman as mary, it would have been needful for Him to be protected from contracting any of her pollution of which she is by nature even as the man is ! Her blood is as polluted as the mans blood, of which made it necessary for Him to be born of a Virgin and not a Natural Man ! If the Lord Jesus Christ received any part of His Being from Mary, then consequently He received of the same substance and inherent qualities that mary had, and this was sinful, for mary by nature was depraved and dead in trespasses and sins, and so consequently, if Jesus received from her anything that she had, He would also be a sinner as though He had a natural sinful father. Christ could not have received His Blood from Mary, her blood would have been polluted. You can call this mystical if you like, but nevertheless all this had spiritual significance, else it would not have mattered in the first place if Christ had natural parents as all others !40
     
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    FWIW I believe in the Immaculate Conception and that pretty much nullifies the ridiculous position you are taking based on Job 14. But that’s really irrelevant because one’s sin nature is inherited from the father, not the mother. Since Jesus is the Son of God there is no sin nature to inherit. Therefore, even assuming Mary was imbued with original sin, it would not have been inherited by Jesus.
     
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    The doctrine of celestial flesh makes a comeback, I see. Melchior Hoffman would be proud, but even the Anabaptists have pretty much given up on the dogma.
     
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    Mary by nature, was a sinner, blemished ! Lev 4:28


    Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

    Folks, the Female, though inferior to the Male, still must be without blemish, for these things [sin offerings] Typified Christ, the Spotless lamb of God 1 Pet 1:19

    19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    Those who hold that Jesus partook of mary's literal blood, she being in and of herself a sinner, This is saying Christ partook of a blemished person. Does that make her blood blemished ? Yes it does ! Thats why those animals had to be without blemish, to typify Christ's Blood !

    Now the Fact that God demanded unblemished of the sacrifice for its blood to be accepted, denotes in some kind of way the blood can be blemished and its value sullied !

    Now theoretically would not the blood of a blemished animal be just like that of a unblemished one ? If both animals blood were put under a microscope, would not their composition be the same ? So why the difference with God. Because man seeth not as God seeth !
     
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    Sin is not in the blood it is in the heart. Where do these absurd doctrines come from.
     
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    Amen!!!!!!!
     
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    Well, mary had a sinful heart like Joseph did. Why was it important that Joseph be not the Lord Jesus physical biological father ? Whatever that reason is, it counts the same for mary. Was mary Jesus biological and physical mother ? Not in the same exact sense as she was to her and Josephs physical and biological children ! Do you believe she was in the exact same sense as her other children with Joseph ? Yes or No ! And give your biblical proof !
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out the point of this thread.
     
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    It may not be literally in the blood and it is certainly a condition of the heart, but it is also an inherited characteristic. We are born with a tendency to sin, not to do good. Are children taught to lie and steal? Are they taught to be angry and jealous? No, these characteristics come naturally and we have to teach them not to do these things. It is the concupiscence (original sin) we are all born with.
     
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    The question is nonsense because it presents two false premises.
     
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