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Featured was the Flood local or worldwide?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. Yeshua1

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    Indeed, there would have been vast uphevals and typography changes during Fllood, so the assumptions of there being layers millions of years old, long glacier ages, dating because gases and decay was same etc, just NOT true!
     
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    The canopy theory has been dealt with quite effectively with solid science. That theory, if memory serves correctly, comes from the "firmament" which meaning other than a "canopy"

    From the Creation Research Institute

    Canopy theory. This is not a direct teaching of Scripture, so there is no place for dogmatism. Also, no suitable model has been developed that holds sufficient water; but some creationists suggest a partial canopy may have been present. For CMI’s current opinion, see Noah’s Flood—Where did the water come from?.
     
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    50-150,000 years for man WAY different than millions of yaers as evolutionists hold...

    And I don't find ANY refercing in Bible to support usher as the definite date, but also see in scientific facts , no way can be extremed aged either!
     
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  5. Yeshua1

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    have you ever heard of the underwater supplies that released from ocean bottom into surface?
     
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    Yeshua, you're avoiding the question.

    Actually, that is the time period for existence of humans; not for the age of the Earth. Nor was that the question.

    Ah. So you're a 'Young Earth' believer, but not based on Bishop Ussher, who is the main source for the Young Earth theory. So where DID you get your possible age of the Earth? Is it based on something, or did you just pull a date from the air?
     
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    Certainly, there are VAST volumes of subterranean water. That is no mystery. If the flood was indeed global, it stands to reason that release of that could very well have been part of the deluge.
     
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    believe have read math models that showed that if we extrapolate for births/death based upon poplation increse/decreasing due to birth rtes/death rates from natural disasters/wars etc, farthest back we can get tohave a pair of first humans is about 47,000 years ago!
     
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    Not sure about "that math" as I have never come across that proposal. However, 47000 years ago is much longer than most (if not all) YEC proponents are willing to accept.
     
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    I would see 50,000 as the very outer age of creation in past, but probably closer to say 10,000. just do not see that ussher date as being "inspired date' from God!
     
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    So where DID you get your possible age of the Earth? Is it based on something, or did you just pull a date from the air?--Archie the Preacher
     
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    That would be consistent age , assuming for worldwideflodding, and the current observations of the universe!
     
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    Okay.

    Do you notice the discrepancy between the 'background' (taking 47,000 years to get to current population) and your 'closer to say 10,000'? I'm not trying to pick on you, but 'consistency' in thinking is important.

    Does the 47,000 year estimate allow for Noah's Flood killing off nearly all the Earth's population?

    By the way, I agree the Ussher date is unreliable. He did a lot of work and in good faith, but he based his calculations on misunderstood information.
     
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    Aquifers

    Quantum, are you referring to aquifers?

    Do you know of any mechanism that would cause an aquifer to expel the water contained and hold it on the surface of the Earth?
     
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    Yes, I suppose so...that I am referring to aquifers. I have no specified geologic or hydrolic training or education. Thus, I cannot say any "natural" reason for aquifers to release the water contained within them.
     
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    Aquifers...

    Okay. I don't either (specific training) and I have no specific thought on the subject other than well water must typically be pumped from underground. Some areas of some aquifers are 'artesian' where underground pressure pushes water to the surface, but this isn't the rule around the world. So, IF the underground water came to the surface, something had to make it move.
     
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    Agreed, we both know that would not be a big effort on the part of God to "make it so". I have always tended to a global flood, but I have read many good positions arguing for a more localized flood.
     
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    I believe Scripture supports that!

    Genesis 7:11. In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
     
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    Thanks OR, I am (was) aware of that, the reason I brought it up. Thank YOU for the reference.
     
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