was the Law In Effect Until Christ, But Now Done Away With?

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  1. JesusFan

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    In this new disoensation of the Age of Grace?
     
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    No one is saved by keeping the Law, nor has anyone ever been saved that way. But the law is useful, since it serves to convince us that it is impossible for us to keep it completely and perfectly. It confirms to us that we are sinners who have displeased God.

    D. L. Moody said:
    John MacArthur:
     
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    Not "done away with," but "fulfilled."
     
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    AMEN and AMEN!
     
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    So that means that the 'law" for us today under this current Dispensation would be to keep abding in Christ, walking in the HS, and THAT would be fulfilling the requirements God demands for believers today!
     
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    This is the type of confusion that dispensationalism creates. The Law is still the Law, it is still God's commands to mankind concerning moral righteousness, nothing has changed in that regard. It never was a means of salvation, but always was and still is our rule of behavior toward God and man.

    Google "three uses of the law".
     
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    Jesus death on the Cross fulfilled totally the requirements of the law, as he nailed ALL of its ordinances once held by God against us on the Cross...

    it is finished, why go back under its bondage, as we NOW live by Grace of God, not by keeping the law, as jesus already perfectly kept it for us, and we are credit by god with His rightousness!
     
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    So was it the 10 Commandments or the 10 Just Kiddings?
     
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    They reveal to us the Holiness of God, convict us of just HOW sinful we are compared to those standards, that is their main puropose, drive us to realise need the Messiah...

    He fully kept the Holy law perfectly in our stead , and when God credits to us that perfect roightousness of Christ, in a sense, we DO and ARE keeping the 10 Commandments!

    We now in Age of grace to abide in Christ, empowered by his HS, and when that happens, we will be "keeping" the commandments of God!
     
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    On this point, J.D. and I are in agreement. However, I would only add that if the law remains the motivator for moral behavior it will leave you dry spiritually. The law, obligation and fear may have an important role in the beginning of ones walk with Christ, but don't be content there.

    True love drives out fear. True grace and relationship fulfills the law. It's like with my own earthly father. I used to obey his will because I feared his belt, or wanted his allowance. Now, when he calls I don't fear his belt or look for pay, I serve him as a friend. I'm motivated from love, not law. I want to help him out of relationship, not fear of punishment or the seeking of His reward. Make sense?

    "No longer do I call you servant, but friends." John 15:15
     
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    Jesus fulfilled the letter of the law and nailed its ordinances to His cross. As Christians, we are not under the Mosaic Law. We are under the Law of Christ, which is the spirit of the Law.

    We no longer observe a Sabbath ordinance. It has been fulfilled. We have now entered into His rest, and every day is holy to Him.
    We no longer follow the tithing commands of counting every tenth land animal and crop and giving them to a Levite or poor and following the seven-year cycle. These have all been fulfilled in Christ, Our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Our admonition now is to give cheerfully, abundantly, and freely to target specific needs, whether of finances, food, or service.
    We no longer offer animal sacrifices. They have been fulfilled. We now recognize the finality and sufficiency of the perfect substitutionary sacrifice of the Lamb of God once for all.

    All ordinances of the law have been fulfilled--not simply "done away with." We keep the law by following its spirit in its fulfillment in the Law of Christ. The Law was never to save, but rather to expose our depravity and point to Christ and His salvation.
     
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    Zephaniah 3:
    2 She obeys no one,
    she accepts no correction.
    She does not trust in the LORD,
    she does not draw near to her God.

    Hebrews 7:

    18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

    Hebrews 10:
    What a chapter!!!
     
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    Apostle paul though tells us thru the Galatians letter that ww who received HS by faith alone, and that the HS is ONEworking in and through us to fulfill will of God...
    Why go back under Law, those of us now under grace?

    Those whose will is to abide in Christ by submitting to the Lord each day WILL be doing what God requires

    The Law could not do that, was not meant to, at though It is perfect, we are not!
     
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    Yes, I agree, if you are not implying that we obey the law only through Christ vicariously (positionaly) and not in actual practice.
     
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    Well, that is one of the effects of the new birth - an embracing of God's Law, not in letter or perfection, but in spirit, desire.
     
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    Most disputes about the 10 Commandment proceed immediately to the Sabbath, the 1 of 10 that is most controversial. My own view of it is not whether one is a sabbatarian or not, but whether one says, "HOW does does commandment apply to me?", rather than saying, "DOES this commandment apply to me?", simply blowing it off as if God's Law could be disregarded.

    John Calvin took the side of Hebrews 4 fulfillment, a position I find suitable. So the Sabbath APPLIES to the Christian, and we obey it in the worship of Christ.
     
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    Keep in mind the issue in Galatia was circumcision, a ceremonial aspect of the Law, not moral. That Old Covenant sign was a shadow of the "real" circumcision in the New Covenant's circumcision of the heart.
     
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    True. :thumbs:
     
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    Christians are not lawless.

    http://www.apuritansmind.com/book-reviews/theological-book-reviews-the-grace-of-law/
     
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    First of all, let's establish what the law can not do:

    Gal. 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    Now, here is all that the Old Law can do now:

    Gal. 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    The Law, when it confronts us, shows us how vile we really all. This is why the Law was/is our schoolmaster, that brings us unto Christ. In the Old Law, each year the OT Jews sins were remembered by God, therefore a yearly sin sacrifice was needed. Not so now. We that live in Christ, live in the Grace Covenant, which is the New Covenant spoken of in Jeremiah chapter 33, Hebrews chapters 8 and 10. The only thing the Law can do now, is bring us unto, not into, Christ. The Grace Covenant is what brings us into Christ.

    i am I AM's!!

    Willis
     

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