Was the Reagan administration corrupt?

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    The GOP loves to praise Reagan and paint him as a good, honest fellow while condemning Obama. Well, let's look at Reagan's record:

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    And twenty-six years after he left office, they still drone on...
     
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    But the record is still there and it still looks very corrupt.

    How many officials of the Obama administration have been convicted of crimes?
     
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    Decisions made by astrologers = corruption?

    Maybe not a wise decision, but not corruption.

    So now, I suppose we need to rename any school or other public building named after Regan.

    What's next - go back in the family history and prove they were slave owners....
     
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    These memes are just so stupid. How about something with some links to actual research ? This is a lazy way to try and get a point across.
     
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    I doubt any administration was free from corruption, but perhaps I'm just a bit apprehensive when it comes to politics and politicians. I know our current administration is corrupt (actually, evil probably would be appropriate if you considered the Democrat platform and agenda), and I am confident that the next will have its share of corruption as well. Sometimes it's good to be a pessimist. I am entirely confident that I'll be proven right. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    ROFL So you criticize from ignorance and are too lazy to do your own research. Ok, try these:

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    Iran-Contra Affair[edit]
    Main article: Iran Contra Affair
    The most well-known and politically damaging of the scandals came to light in November 1986, when Ronald Reagan conceded that the United States had sold weapons to the Islamic Republic of Iran, as part of a largely unsuccessful effort to secure the release of six U.S. citizens being held hostage in Lebanon. It was also disclosed that some of the money from the arms deal with Iran had been covertly and illegally funneled into a fund to aid the right-wing Contras counter-revolutionary groups seeking to overthrow the socialist Sandinista government of Nicaragua. The Iran-contra scandal as it became known, did serious damage to the Reagan presidency. The investigations were effectively halted when President George H. W. Bush (Reagan's vice president) pardoned Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger before his trial began.[2]

    Caspar Weinberger, United States Secretary of Defense, was pardoned before trial produced by George H. W. Bush
    Elliott Abrams agreed to cooperate with investigators and in return was allowed to plead guilty to two misdemeanor charges instead of facing possible felony indictments. He was sentenced to two years probation and one hundred hours of community service. He was also pardoned by Bush on December 24, 1992 along with five other former Reagan Administration officials who had been implicated in connection with Iran-Contra.[3]
    National Security Advisor Robert C. McFarlane, pleaded guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service and was ordered to pay a $20,000 fine.[3] He was also pardoned by Bush.
    Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. He pleaded guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from Congress and was sentenced to one year of probation and one hundred hours of community service. He was also pardoned by Bush.[3][4]
    Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, an Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.[3][5]
    Clair George was Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. He was pardoned by Bush.[3][4][6]
    Richard Secord was indicted on nine felony counts of lying to Congress and pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress.[3][7]
    Thomas G. Clines was convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the Iran/Contra operations.[3][8]
    Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy, partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States[3][5]
    John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, was found guilty of five criminal counts including lying to Congress, conspiracy and obstruction of justice. His conviction was later overturned on grounds that he did not receive a fair trial (the prosecution may have been influenced by his immunized testimony in front of Congress.)[3][9]
    Oliver North was indicted on sixteen charges in the Iran/Contra affair and found guilty of three - aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress, shredding or altering official documents and accepting a gratuity. His convictions were later overturned on the grounds that his immunized testimony had tainted his trial.[3][10]
    Duane R. Clarridge (US Republican Party) also pardoned before trial by Bush
    Albert Hakim pleaded guilty to supplementing the salary of North
    Joseph F. Fernandez indicted on four counts of obstruction and false statements; case dismissed when Attorney General Richard L. Thornburgh refused to declassify information needed for his defense
    Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging[edit]
    The HUD rigging scandal occurred when Department of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Samuel Pierce and his associates rigged low income housing bids to favor Republican contributors to Reagan's campaign as well as rewarding Republican lobbyists such as James G. Watt Secretary of the Interior.[11] Sixteen convictions were eventually handed down,[12] including the following:

    s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
     
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    James Watt
    James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 24 felony counts and pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor. He was sentenced to five years probation, and ordered to pay a $5000 fine.[13]
    Phillip D. Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.;[14] pardoned by President Bill Clinton, Nov., 2000[15]
    Thomas Demery - Assistant HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors. Found guilty of bribery and obstruction of justice[14]
    Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Secretary Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve. She appealed and prevailed on several counts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.[14]
    Joseph A. Strauss, (R) Special Assistant to the Secretary of HUD, convicted for accepting payments to favor Puerto Rican land developers in receiving HUD funding.[16]
    Silvio D. DeBartolomeis convicted of perjury and bribery.[14]
    Catalina Vasquez Villalpando, the Treasurer of the United States from 1989 to 1993[17]
    Secretary Pierce, the "central person" in the scandal, was not charged because he made "full and public written acceptance of responsibility."[17]

    Retired Federal Judge Arlin M. Adams served as independent counsel in the first five years of the prosecution, through 1995.[14] and Larry Thompson completed the work 1995-98.[17]

    Lobbying scandal[edit]
    When an administration staff member leaves office, federal law governs how quickly one can begin a lobbying career.

    Michael Deaver, Reagan’s Chief of Staff, was convicted of lying to both a congressional committee and to a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after he left the government. He received three years probation and was fined $100,000 after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee.[18]
    Lyn Nofziger Reagan's Press Secretary was convicted on charges of illegal lobbying after leaving government service in Wedtech scandal. His conviction was later overturned.[19]
    EPA scandals[edit]
    A number of scandals occurred at the Environmental Protection Agency during the Reagan Administration. Over twenty high-level EPA employees were removed from office during Reagan's first three years as president.[20] Additionally, several Agency officials resigned amidst a variety of charges, ranging from being unduly influenced by industry groups to rewarding or punishing employees based on their political beliefs.[21] Sewergate, the most prominent EPA scandal during this period, involved the targeted release of Superfund grants to enhance the election prospects of local officials aligned with the Republican Party.

    Rita Lavelle, an administrator at the EPA, misused Superfund monies and was convicted of perjury. She served three months in prison, was fined $10,000 and given five years probation.[22]
    Anne Gorsuch Burford, the controversial head of the EPA. Burford, citing "Executive Privilege," refused to turn over Superfund records to Congress.[23] She was found in Contempt, whereupon she resigned.
    Inslaw Affair[edit]
    Inslaw Affair (1985-1994+); a protracted legal case that alleged that top-level officials of President Ronald Reagan's (R) Department of Justice were involved in software piracy of the Promis program from Inslaw Inc. forcing it into bankruptcy and then failed to appoint an independent counsel to investigate it.[24]
    D. Lowell Jensen, Deputy Attorney General was held in Contempt of Congress.[25]
    C. Madison Brewer A high ranking Justice Department official was held in Contempt of Congress.[25]
    Attorney General Edwin Meese (R) refused to investigate the matter. His successor Attorney General Dick Thornburgh (R) also refused to investigate.[26] They were succeeded by Attorney General William P. Barr (R) who also refused to investigate the matter. No charges were ever filed.[27]

    Savings & loan crisis[edit]
    Savings and loan crisis in which 747 institutions failed and had to be rescued with $160 billion in taxpayer dollars.[28] Reagan's "elimination of loopholes" in the tax code included the elimination of the "passive loss" provisions that subsidized rental housing. Because this was removed retroactively, it bankrupted many real estate developments which used this tax break as a premise, which in turn bankrupted 747 Savings and Loans, many of whom were operating more or less as banks, thus requiring the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to cover their debts and losses with tax payer money. This with some other "deregulation" policies, ultimately led to the largest political and financial scandal in U.S. history to that date, the savings and loan crisis. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $150 billion, about $125 billion of which was directly subsidized by the U.S. government, which further increased the large budget deficits of the early 1990s. See Keating Five.
    As an indication of this scandal's size, Martin Mayer wrote at the time, "The theft from the taxpayer by the community that fattened on the growth of the savings and loan (S&L) industry in the 1980s is the worst public scandal in American history. Teapot Dome in the Harding administration and the Credit Mobilier in the times of Ulysses S. Grant have been taken as the ultimate horror stories of capitalist democracy gone to seed. Measuring by money, [or] by the misallocation of national resources... the S&L outrage makes Teapot Dome and Credit Mobilier seem minor episodes." [29]

    Economist John Kenneth Galbraith called it "the largest and costliest venture in public misfeasance, malfeasance and larceny of all time."[30]

    Debategate[edit]
    Main article: Debategate
    Debategate refers to a scandal affecting the administration of Ronald Reagan; it involved the final days of the 1980 presidential election and briefing papers that were to have been used by President Jimmy Carter in preparation for the October 28, 1980, debate with Reagan had somehow been acquired by Reagan's team. This fact was not divulged to the public until late June 1983, after Laurence Barrett published Gambling With History: Reagan in the White House, an in-depth account of the Reagan administration's first two years.

    James Baker swore under oath that he had received the briefing book from William Casey, Reagan's campaign manager, but Casey vehemently denied this. The matter was never resolved as both the FBI and a congressional subcommittee failed to determine how or through whom the briefing book came to the Reagan campaign.[31]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
     
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    CTB spamming the board with revisionism... :rolleyes:
     
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    You are going overboard T!

    Dont you realzie that as we speak, that Crabby is compling a list of all those who have/are making the Obama administration the most corrupt.
     
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    Bro. CTB---

    I don't mean to be disrespectful to you. I don't know you personally, nor do I know much about the mission field to which God has called you.

    Having admitted my woeful ignorance of you personally, your time schedules, etc., I wish you God's richest blessings on you, your family, and the work to which He has called you....Honestly I do.

    I won't condemn you for your political leanings--even if they are completely different than mine--which they are.

    You're just as much a citizen as I am, and, as such, you're entitled to believe and voice your opinions....not only here on BB, but anywhere else where you deem it an appropriate venue to do so. Our Bill of Rights guarantees you the right to lawfully express your opinions and practices as you deem lawful and appropriate. I strongly support your right to do to the extent that I spent a third of my life defending your rights when I voluntarily served in our nation's military. In fact, that's what I swore to do each time I enlisted--which was a total of 6 times over the past half century.

    Having posted all the above statements, I'd like to know just 1 personal thing about you, my Brother in Christ. You don't have to respond publicly here on this very public BB thread if you don't wish to. You can PM me about your response to this one question if you wish to do so....That's fine with me.

    What's the personal question I'm about to ask you, my Brother and Friend in Christ? It's this: Where do you get all the time to access, then turn around and post as much as you do here on BB about your political leanings? You may think that this question is none of my business, and I fully understand why you'd think so.

    It isn't my business to pry into your personal life, or to know how you believe God would have you to live out your life in your service to Him. That's not my intention at all. I wouldn't want you or anyone else on BB to publicly demand I give an account to them of something as personal and private as that. That's why I suggested that we continue this discussion via PM's if you wish to do so. That option is entirely up to you, my Brother and Friend in Christ.

    I'll not berate you publicly here on BB as so many of other BB posters have done in the past or are currently doing. Frankly, I'm embarrassed to read the insults these people lob at you on a daily basis with seemingly little concern over how their so doing puts BB--a supposed Bible-centered "Christian" forum--in the eyes of those who visit its postings in order to form a perception in their minds of how people who profess to be ones who follow the One who told them to "Love your 'enemies,' bless them that curse you, do good to them that 'hate you,' and pray for them which 'despitefully use you,' and 'persecute you'" (Mt. 5:44). Don't think these BB visitors don't often get that impression when they scan through our various forms because they do--and you KNOW THAT THEY DO!

    No, that's NOT what the One who took our place on the cross wants from His children, but that's exactly what He sees many of us BB posters doing.

    I've got enough sins and failures for which I know I'll have to answer at His Bema judgment seat. I certainly don't want to answer for doing something He outright COMMANDED ME NOT TO DO!

    How you wish to respond to my question is up to you. I'll be waiting for you reply.

    May God bless you as you seek to serve Him.
     
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    Bro wpe, thank you for your post. I appreciate it.

    I am retired, have been for 20 years. I do a lot of online reading as well as reading books every day. My goal this year is to read 52 books by the end of December. Currently I am 8 books ahead of schedule. I love to read, love to learn and am not afraid of information. I fear some are fearful of learning new things as it might force them to give up long held, long loved ideas and beliefs. I see life as a journey of discovery and change. To put it one way, I climb a mountain seeking truth and when I read the top what do I find? More mountains to climb. It never ends.

    I now live in a continuing care retirement community. While I do go to exercise classes every day I do have quite a lot of time to read, research and think. There are those on the BB who refuse to believe me, but I was a registered Republican for many years. I finally had to leave that party when it moved so far right and adopted their Southern Policy, which, to me, was and is a racist policy. I am not happy about much in the Democratic Party, but to me they are more interested in helping the poor, the ill, the elderly and children where as, to me, the GOP is interested in corporate profits and protecting the rich at the expense of the poor. You may or may not agree with me, but that is my perception.

    I ran an engineering/communications company library for 26 years. My entire adult like, save 4 years, was researching information. I also was a freelance indexer, indexes in the back of books, for over 25 years and occasionally will index a book gratis for a friend or the friend of a friend. The majority of those books were medical books, some in computer programming, some in computer languages as well as several editions of the National Electric Code.

    In other words, I have spent my adult life dealing in finding and organizing information. It has been fun and informative.

    To me neither party has a leg to stand on morally concerning abortion and as I am not a one issue voter I do not let that issue determine my vote. And, yes I am against abortion. There are folk for whom this is the only issue in life.

    Concerning this tread I remember the Reagan years and remember the scandals that surrounded his administration. The record is there for all to see. Many myths have been promoted concerning him and his years in office. Most are false, but are widely accepted as truth. I do believe in time, in the historical sense of time ... a hundred or two hundred years, that historians will judge him harshly. I was a Reagan supporter at one time, but the scandals and his policies that harmed the average American drove me away from supporting him. Did he do wrong in everything he did. No. Did he do right in everything he did? No. He was human just like all presidents and he did some good things and some bad. Overall, as you probably surmise by now, I feel he did more wrong than right.

    Life and issues are not as simply as many believe.

    Again, thanks for your post.
     
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    this is what you should have done in the first place. And I criticized YOU, for the lazy post. This might be biased but at least there is real info. You should stick to facts and not smart-Alec memes.
     
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    yeah. He just showed up here and everybody started being mean to him.

    Before you get too mushy with the guy, he's been banned from here twice due to his personal attacks and his blasphemy.

    I figure I AM treating him as he wants to be treated.
     
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    The Democrats can console themselves that child-molester Ortega is now President of Nicaragua and that most of Latin America has collapsed into squalor and socialism with poverty rates higher than parts of Africa. So from a Democrat point of view, they prevailed in Latin America.
     
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    Unlike now, Reagan allowed his Justice Department to investigate corruption in his administration.
     
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    I appreciate your reply to my post about you. We live in some what similar life situations about which I never realized before.

    I too am retired, but only since mid-2011. Prior to that I was employed by BellSouth/AT&T as an electronic technician at their Network Reliability Center just outside Nashville (Brentwood). We were responsible for monitoring the telecommunications network for 13 states in the South & southern central US.

    In addition to that we had other fun things to do such as emergency call traces, rerouting 911 call centers to other ones when storms knocked out their original central office calling systems (and then putting them back to their original status when the storms were over).

    After almost 20 years of this, 65-YO WPE3BQL, decided he'd had about as much fun he could take and retired.

    However, after only 3 months of retired bliss, I had a stroke that laid me up for some 4 months. This also revealed other medical issues of which I wasn't aware until the hospital doctors ran additional tests. A heart murmur, diabetes, enlarged prostate, and a few others were what they found.

    And then, to add insult to injury, the idiots at Social Security only had me down for Part A (Hospital) coverage. That was fine while I was in the hospital, but since I wasn't on SS Part B (Outpatient/Doctors, etc.), I had to pay all the subsequent doctor and medication bills myself. It took quite awhile to overcome this quandary, but with God's help, I managed to do so.

    Thank God He's enabled me to eventually overcome some of my disabilities. I can still get around to some extent. When I was hospitalized back in 2011, I saw people who required 24/7/365 attention just to eat and move back and forth in their wheelchairs. There were people there with dementia who were screaming at the ones who were trying to help them eat or drink or take their medications, pushing them away from themselves who were only trying to help them.

    I thank my 78-YO sister who willingly spent about 10 years of her life waiting on my late mother (1913-2003) who suffered from dementia. She had to endure our mother screaming at her, throwing things at her, and who knows what else she chose not to tell her siblings that she endured. I don't know if I could have stood a decade of that kind of abuse, but she did.

    Yes, God has been very good to me!

    He not only saved me almost 50 years ago, but He's been with me ever since then! He already knew how often I'd fail Him (every day since April, 1966, it seems). He knew that there'd be times I stray from His will for my life (more often than I care to recall). He's walked with me in good times and not-so-good times.

    He's blessed me with a church filled with people who love me and time-after-time have gone way out of their way to be sure I was taken care of as if I were their own brother (Which, of course, I am!). And that's what He's done for me in this life!

    While I want to live out my life here on terra firma as long as He allows me, I'm looking forward to that day when "faith becomes sight. "When that may occur, I don't know, but I'm looking forward to it.

    Just think, I'll get to see all my BB friends! Can't wait for that day! And, because we'll all be given resurrection bodies, I won't have to scare the wits of y'all when you see WPE3BQL since I'll be handsome with a full head of not-gray hair, no glasses, or anything like I presently have....and neither will you!

    That will be the homecoming of all homecomings! I'm guaranteed a seat at the feast of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb! No skimpy left-overs there. I don't know how many courses there'll be at it, but it's bound to be "heap good eatin', y'all!"

    Thank You, Jesus, for all you've done, all You're doing right now, and all You're going to do for me in the future! I don't deserve anything from You, Jesus! Why You chose to suffer and shed Your innocent blood for me, I'll never know in this life, but Your Word says You did, and I'll rest on that assurance alone!

    As John wrote in the last prayer of God's Word, "Even so, come Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
     
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    The fact that no Obama officials have even been investigated shows that the Obama administration is the most corrupt in history and that corruption is pervasive throughout the administration.

    As for Star Wars, sarcastically named by the leftist democrats, we do have a missile defense system in this country that works. Obama stopped the installation of one in Eastern Europe that was to stop missiles from the Islamic states but could have been reprogrammed for Russia. It was this Star Wars program that brought the Soviet Union to its knees! That is one reason the leftist democrats hate Reagan so much; he brought about the downfall of the "evil empire"!

    Face it, Mr. Crab you are just not smart enough to slime the Reagan presidency. You go to the leftist publications and they fail also!
     
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    Then you are a failure, wasting your time. Instead of climbing a mountain you are sliding into a valley of death. You blind yourself to the truth that you are a rabid supporter of the slaughter of 56,000,000 unborn children. Very sad Mr. Crab.
     

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