Was the world created millions and millions of years ago, part 2?

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  1. Marcia

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    The thread was closed before I could answer the above.

    What is your point? That Genesis was not inspired by the Holy Spirit? I believe in verbal plenary inspiration, and I hope you know what that is. :smilewinkgrin:

    So is Gen 1 just Moses' opinion of how the world was made? That's what you made it sound like in the post I had responded to before you posted the above.

    How about Ex. 20:11?
    For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

    or Ex 31:17?
    It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed

    The Biblical support for 6 literal days of creation is overwhelming and imo, irrefutable.


     
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    Can we see some definitions of the following:

    1. verbal plenary inspiration

    2.6 literal days of creation

    Thank you.
     
  3. Marcia

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    Sure.

    SOURCE
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-inspired.html

    SOURCE
    http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/vpi.htm
     
  4. Marcia

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    More:
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    http://www.geocities.com/brainout1/VPI.htm

    A literal day means it's not metaphorical day or a figure of speech day, but a day with a morning and an evening, such as 2 days from now will be Friday.
     
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    Again, how do you have a literal morning and evening without a sun?

    For those who would like to spend the time, here is a helpful debate presenting both sides (the entire debate can be found in 10 minute segments): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuHuG517lI&feature=PlayList&p=E0190D9456365346&index=0&playnext=1
     
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    Again light was divided from the darkness and that was the first day:

    Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
    Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
    Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
     
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    You didn't answer the question. So heres another, what is the source of the light in those verses?
     
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    I did,or rather scripture answers the question pretty clearly. The source is unknown and irrelevant.
     
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    1 Corinthians 2:10-13 (ESV):
    these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.


    Why do spiritual words taught by the Spirit to the spirit have to be Literal 24-hours days? What is wrong with 48-hour-days (the earth is round you know)?

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 (ESV):
    All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work

    I think 'man of God' means 'human of God' is just as spiritual an understanding as the 'male of God'.
     
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    Be honest Marcia does your quote of what I said previously say anywhere that I don't believe in the inspiration of the bible? If you think thats the case then you missed my point. I was commenting on how the bible is inspired. Do you believe the bible was dictated or inspired? Two different things. I used David's psalm 22 as an example.

    I'm not nearly as educated as you are Marcia. I'm just an uneducated dweeb and using large words like Verbal Plenary Inspiration are above my kindergarden level education. How ever if I were to take a guess Let me see...

    Pleny sunct caeli et terra in gloria tua or Heaven and earth are full of your glory I can summize from my ignorant mind that Plenary means Heavenly; verbal means spoken and inspiration means well inspiriation (I don't know the deffinition because I'm dumb) So inspiriation from heavenly spoken words? Did I get it? Am I right? :laugh:

    So are you saying Heavenly dictation or inspiration? Or is dictation, inspiration to you?

    As far as the exodus quote I could say God is using the principle laid out in the creation story to enforce or elucidate a command for rest on the sabbath.
     
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    I like my definition better it matches the words. I can't make the words fit all those meanings. I'm uneducated remember.
     
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    OH thats what you meant! Your link didn't work. But its a good point.
     
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    Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    On the "New Earth" there won't be a "sun" to light the world, the "Spirit of God" is the light.

    I'd said this was the light source prior to the sun being created.

    Plants/Trees were created on the "third day", but the Sun wasn't created until the fourth day, and they require light to grow.
     
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    So your contention is that God himself was the source of light (which I believe he is) Yet he provided no other sources from which the light came. In that case how was their darkness since God was present? Light dispells the darkness. So there couldn't be light then Darkness if God was the source of light and present.
     
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    In other words, you can't answer either question.

    So we had literal mornings and evenings without a sun. Yet our 24 hours, mornings, and evenings today require a sun.
     
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    I explained that on the other thread, and have explained it at least 3 times on the BB before.

    God created light before the sun, so there was light. God does not need the sun to have light - it is a put down to the sun gods, and shows God's power over his creation.

    If he had created the sun right off, it would give the sun primacy and also look like God needed the sun to create light.
     
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    Well, I'm sensing sarcasm here. I do not believe in verbal dictation, that's why I said verbal plenary inspiration and posted 3 explanations of it.

    I can't get from you whether you believe the Genesis account is historical narrative or a mythlike story.
     
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    Who said you were uneducated? I could not care less whether you are or not.
     
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    Say it all you want but both questions were answered clearly. You however keep insisting a 24 hour period requires the sun. It in fact does not. Ever been to Alaska (as if I really need to give an example). Anyway light existed before the sun, dark existed and was divided form the light. This was the first day. This division occurred without the sun. Time moves irregardless of the sun.
     
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    What difference does it make. Scripture says there was light, that should be sufficient for Christians.
     
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