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  1. Aschultz73

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    Greeting fellow Christians, this is my first post since I posted my introduction. I had contemplated what to post about as I have spent some time on other forums witnessing Christ against Universalism. After some time there I found that I needed a break and in fact I felt burdoned for many weeks before then to take a break, but I had no idea what to do in this break. So I decided to search out a Christian forum to be among brothers and sisters for awhile.

    However, the question is what can I discuss with Christians? After spending so much time facing unbelief and false teaching I found that I had very little I could relax and discuss with believers. I found this to be quite odd. However, I feel that even if two or more servants of the Lord may not know each other on a physical level (thru sight, voice, and hearing) that the words spoken or typed will just as easily show the heart of the person. By this we as servants of the Lord will know each other even if we do not see each other till the coming of our Lord.

    So with this in mind let me post a topic for discussion. What is the purpose of man? Why did God create us? Now some say it is because God desires fellowship with us and I entirely concede that point to be true, but could there be more? While scripture doesn't give us the complete backstory of the struggle between the devil and the fallen it does tell us it existed. It gives us clues as to why it happened.

    I must admit I am tempted to post my thoughts here and now, but I am hoping a few might rise to the occasion and converse with me on this matter. Now I must say that I am speaking of things Christian and not of things as defined by cults. I do not believe we can become a god ourselves, I do not believe Christ died and in the end all will be saved, and I certainly do not believe Christ was a man as I am.

    All I ask is why do you think God created man admist the struggle (not to imply God is struggling with the devil as we know the victory is already won) that existed before our time upon this Earth. I apologize if this may seem an odd question, but after much thought I hope to find some conversation on this thought.

    May the Lord God Jesus Christ find you in Truth
     
  2. annsni

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    God created man for His glory.

    Revelation 4:11 "“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”

    Colossians 1:16 “All things were created by him and for him.”
     
  3. Scarlett O.

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    Revelation 4:11 (KJV) - "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

    God created us because it please Him to do so.
     
  4. Tom Butler

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    I don't think I can add anything to what Ann and Scarlett have written. What they said.
     
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    Agreed! :thumbsup:
     
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    Are you hinting that maybe God created man to replace the number of angels that fell?
    I heard that when I was young.
     
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    for the same reason He created everything else, for His glory, like ann said
     
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    Aschultz said, "and I certainly do not believe Christ was a man as I am"

    Are you saying Jesus wasn't a man, or that He wasn't a sinful man? He was 100% man and 100% God, so what are you referring too? Thanks for any clarification.
     
  9. Benjamin

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    For love:

    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (1 Corinthians 2:9)

    And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. (Ephesians 3:19)

    But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. (1 Thessalonians 4:9)

    And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. (2 Thessalonians 3:5)

    For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. (Titus 3:3)
    But after that the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, (Titus 3:4)

    Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? (James 2:5)

    But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:5)

    Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. (1 John 3:16)

    Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. (1 John 4:7)

    In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. (1 John 4:9)

     
  10. Alive in Christ

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    Aschultz...

    1st...WELCOME to the forums here! :wavey:

    2ndly...Would that other site by any chance be Beliefnet?
     
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    Would you explain a bit what you mean by the above?
    Do you mean the struggle between God and the devil and the fallen angels?

    Is it just the way I am reading your sentence or are you saying you do not believe Christ died and you do not believe Christ was a man?
     
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    To glorify God and to enjoy Him forever.

    So that He could glorify Himself (a) through the witness of creation, (b) through the salvation of sinners, and (c) through the judgement of the wicked.

    Could you please elaborate on this? Because if you're saying what it looks like you're saying, we've got trouble right here in River City.
     
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    that Jesus was 100% God and 100% man is part of basic christianity, denying one is denying the other.
     
  14. Aschultz73

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    You are right I should have said "He was not a sinfulman as I am." I am sorry for that error.
     
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    First let me apologize I have not been around the post I was a bit behind in my classes and needed a break from the good ole computer.

    Sir this is exactly what I was waiting to see. I came to this conclusion myself, but honestly I have found no scripture to support it so I feel it is in the realim of speculation, but an interesting speculation I think.

    Now of course we were created for God's glory. I agree with that wholly. I have always felt that scripture is the relation of God to man. Of course scripture does mention angels and of course the fallen as well, but they are not a part of our history. They are spectators so to speak. They come in as God sends them, but have no part in our creation our existance past that.

    You see I argue against Universalism. If you have read De Principiis by Origen you will see that God, by their definition of course, will reconcile all to be saved. Many go the step furthur and include the devil and the fallen. They in fact place the devil and the fallen as part of creation itself.

    However, I do not see the angels or the fallen as a part of creation, but existing before creation. Perhaps I am wrong in this. Could it not be that our existance is a witness to the angels as well. Those who stayed loyal to our God? Could God not be displaying the system of the devil as being false by our existance? Would this not be to God's glory as well?

    Now I of course am speculating and I appreciate the scripture quotes. But I was hoping that someone might address this and they have. In one of my classes this week a professor stated that much of scripture has been answered and repeated. It seemed to me that he was encouraging us to think a bit about that which is beyond ourselves. Of course not to add to scripture, but a simple "what if" type thing. I am hoping some greater minds then myself on this forum might talk this topic.
     
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    No I have not been on beliefnet, but it sounds familiar to me. I get asked alot because of my screen name if I have been to certain forums or been a pastor even. I am neither. I am just a Christian who floats the internet trying to speak with believers as we are all scattered and will one day be united. I look forward to that day when Christ Jesus brings us all together and in many ways I find a small taste of that in forums as well as the church I attend. I find it to be almost intoxicating.

    Thank you for the welcome by the way.
     
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    5._____ Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto.
    ( Ephesians 1:4, 9, 11; Romans 8:30; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Romans 9:13, 16; Ephesians 2:5, 12 )
     
  18. NiteShift

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    He desired our friendship IMHO:

    "I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you."

    "He said to them, Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep"

    "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness, and he was called the friend of God."
     
  19. Aschultz73

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    Thanks for all the replies on this. I am truly trying to get a feel for this board. I think perhaps I might move on to a second post.
     
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    In my opinion, it is for the building of a kingdom of eternity and love. We are all invited to His wedding of love.
     

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