Weighing in on the Trayvon Case pt2

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Gershom, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Gershom

    Gershom
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    0
    He did not pursue him as he said in the interview. The gun was not drawn until he was on the ground being beaten.

    He said he was watching where he was going in order to inform the police. His gun WAS NOT DRAWN until he was on the ground being beaten.
     
  2. DiamondLady

    DiamondLady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0
    You'll note you said HE SAID. So you're taking the word of a proven liar? So tell me, if he was just "watching" then how'd he get out of his car??? If he was just watching, how'd he end up on the ground??? Since Trayvon is dead we certainly can't get his side of the story, can we? Lastly, he should not have been armed, neighborhood watch are not supposed to be armed. If he'd left his gun in the car....oh wait, he should have never LEFT his car!

    Sorry, Gershom. George Zimmerman's protests of innocence just don't jive with the facts and certainly don't mesh with all the times he's already been proved to be a liar.
     
  3. Zaac

    Zaac
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    220
    And this will be highlighted by the D.A.

    :thumbsup:

    Again. :thumbsup:

    If someone is so suspicious, the last thing I'm gonna do is get out the safety of my car. But he can't even get his story straight. Was he walking around looking like he was on something or was he walking leisurely?

    And if you think he's enough of a threat to call police, why are you getting out of your car and looking for him?

    Just entirely too many inconsistencies in his story and again probably why the initial investigator wanted to press charges.
     
  4. webdog

    webdog
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,691
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why would I take your word for it over someone who was involved in it? You said he had his gun drawn. Were you there?
     
  5. webdog

    webdog
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,691
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm sure they will.




    which is why you wouldn't make a good neighborhood watchman.
    False dichotomy. Most people who are high as a kite walk quite leisurely. He was also observed walking around in the middle of a downpour, something most people don't normally do.

    Um...two words: Neighborhood Watch.
    Hardly.
     
  6. Zaac

    Zaac
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    220
    Might be why he didn't make a good watchmen either.

    Opinion. I've seen plenty of people high as a kite who were anything but leisurely.

    Observed by whom, Zimmerman? Zimmerman observed his skin color, him staring at him and all this other stuff in the midst of a downpour?

    And folks without cars walk in downpours all the time if they don't have a choice.
    That's right. Neighborhood WATCH-not follow. Not get out of car to find, follow or anything else.

    Apparently the initial investigator didn't think so.
     
  7. webdog

    webdog
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,691
    Likes Received:
    0
    Actually, he was, hence him keeping an eye out for his community.
    So? My point stands...false dichotomy.
    You can't see from your car in the rain?
    You are clueless as to what a neighborhood watch is. I commend Zimmerman for doing what you would not do.

    You have bought into the media's distortion of this "white hispanic" (whatever that means)

    No, he was in a lose / lose situation. He was already tried through the media and the r word was involved.
     
  8. Zaac

    Zaac
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    220
    Actually he wasn't. He murdered someone because he wasn't a good WATCHMAN and now he has to deal with the consequences of being a bad WATCHMAN.

    Your point stands in your false dichotomy version of reality.

    In a downpour, I can barely see in front of the car.

    You apparently are clueless as to what a neighborhood watch is. And the head of the National Sheriff's Association confirms that you don't.

    Yes lets commend folks for murdering other folks.

    Apparently you have bought into the media's he was a Black thug distortion as I didn't say anything to you about White Hispanic anything.

    [/QUOTE]

    He was in a lose/lose situation because he's a bad liar and broke basic rules of neighborhood watch. But as the head of the national association has already exampled, you don't know what a neighborhood watchman is SUPPOSED to do.
     
  9. DiamondLady

    DiamondLady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0
    After the shooting, Zimmerman TOLD police he had his gun drawn. He couldn't have shot the boy if his gun had been in his waistband, where he said he kept it.

    When you compare what was said then, to what Zimmerman is saying now it doesn't jive.
     
  10. webdog

    webdog
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,691
    Likes Received:
    0
    Question beg much?



    No, it just stands. Please learn.


    You need better glasses.


    I see, they are the authority :rolleyes:




    Question beg much?


    What media has reported this? I just see a little smiling boy on ever picture put out by the media.
    You pull up one opinion of what it is SUPPOSED to be and now it is the gospel :laugh:

    Zimmerman lied trying to cover up the money he had. It was wrong. It doesn't make him a murderer nor does it mean he lied about his account that the medical records, eye witnesses and testimony confirms. The second degree charge is a joke...and if he is found guilty it is due to the "Rodney King affect".
     
  11. webdog

    webdog
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,691
    Likes Received:
    0
    Are you serious? How would one shoot anyone without their gun drawn? Of course he drew his gun when he was attacked.

    You stated he got out of his car with the gun drawn. Night and day difference.
     
  12. DiamondLady

    DiamondLady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0
    Webdog said, "He was also observed walking around in the middle of a downpour, something most people don't normally do.

    Zaac responded, "And folks without cars walk in downpours all the time if they don't have a choice."

    It's obvious, Webdog, you don't live in Florida where we call rain,"liquid sunshine." People here walk in the rain all the time, most people here don't bother to carry an umbrella. It rains every afternoon here during the summer, sometimes sudden downpours. We think nothing of walking in the rain. To see someone walking in the rain is a normal occurance here, not something suspicious.
     
  13. webdog

    webdog
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,691
    Likes Received:
    0
    At any rate with the recent break-ins and not being recognized he was viewed as being suspicious. It was also at night, not in the middle of the afternoon.
     
  14. DiamondLady

    DiamondLady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0
    No, what I said was, "Please...if he didn't pursue him then why was he OUT OF HIS CAR with a DRAWN GUN????? " That's very different from what you said. He got out of the car, went after the boy and drew his gun. Umm gee, none of which he SHOULD have done to begin with. He was told to stay in his car, didn't. Neighborhood Watch is to OBSERVE and if they see suspicious activity call 911 and do NOTHING. Not get out of the vehicle, they're not supposed to have a weapon, period much less draw or shoot it. The whole point of the facts are, if he'd have obeyed orders, stayed in his car and not had a gun he wouldn't be facing murder charges now, Trayvon Martin wouldn't have died that night and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    When people try to play sheriff and take the law into their own hands, when they don't fully understand what the law is, it causes trouble. It causes situations exactly like this. I believe in self-defense. I believe in stand your ground. I OWN a gun and know how to protect myself and home with it. This case simply doesn't meet the laws of self-defense nor stand your ground.
     
  15. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    This case is the result of a corrupt prosecutor and Judge.
     
  16. Zaac

    Zaac
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    220
    You can roll your eyes all you like. But I would imagine the Director of the organization that started Neighbor Watch is probably a better judge of what a watchmen should be than you are.:laugh:



    Who is this question that keeps begging?


    Oh you've drawn your conclusion about who Trayvon was from somewhere in the media so there's no need to try and downplay it now.

    Yep. I would take the word of the organization that started the watch program over yours any day as to what a watchman is supposed to do.

    Murdering makes him a murderer. discovering that he was covering up the money just establishes that he is a liar to not be trusted, and is even more reason for the D.A. to proceed with trying him for murder.

    The medical records, eye witness accounts and testimony do nothing more than confirm that Trayvon was doing what the "Stand Your Ground Law" allowed him to do.

    If he isn't found guilty, it's just as likely due to the racial prejudices that abound that you've exposed about yourself.
     
  17. DiamondLady

    DiamondLady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0
    So? It can't rain at night and people walk in it??? Come on. Be resonable. Walking in the rain is not suspicious activity. I don't know that I've EVER seen a teenage boy use an umbrella (and I raised 2 of them...not once have I ever seen my sons use an umbrella in their entire lives!) Walking in the rain is not looking in people's windows to see if someone is home. It's not rattling doorknobs to see if a door is unlocked. It's not breaking windows or anything else suspicious. All Trayvon Martin was guilty of was walking in the rain, at night. When did that become a crime???
     
  18. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    His crime was attacking Zimmerman.
     
  19. Zaac

    Zaac
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    220
    Even more reason for him to not jump out his car and go looking for someone suspicious.

    So it's night and there's a downpour and he can make out all this stuff about someone from a distance?

    Very little about his story seems to jive.

    And to then try to backtrack at the end of his interview. (smh) He needs to be convicted because NONE of this would have taken place had he adhered to what he was told and the operational practices of Neighborhood WATCH.

    Let me reiterate: WATCH.
     
    #19 Zaac, Jul 20, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 20, 2012
  20. Zaac

    Zaac
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    220
    In accordance with the Florida Law, which reads:

    Trayvon had legal right to use force. The call to 911 confirms the call the girlfriend had with him about being followed by Zimmerman. In her words in testimony to attorneys:

    She heard everything firsthand on the phone.

    So who is more plausible. A young lady who has no reason to lie about this, or a man who has shown himself to be a consistent liar?

    Her story COMPLETELY contradicts the version of Trayvon just "popping up next to him" that Zimmerman is telling.
     
    #20 Zaac, Jul 20, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 20, 2012

Share This Page

Loading...