Well, at least Clint Eastwood understood apostle Paul

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    Background information
    • Paul was trained “in the Spirit” for 17 years in the desert regions (Galatians 1:16-2:2).
    • He received his spiritual information from the risen Jesus (Galatians 1:11-12).
    • Jesus called him to evangelize the Gentiles (Acts 26:17-18, Romans 15:15).

    Paul’s churches
    • Paul set up all the churches in his epistles, except the one in Rome.
    • Paul was writing to dear friends (except Rome), whom he did not wish to offend.
    • Paul really wanted to encourage, edify, and exhort his churches.
    • Paul really needed to warn the believers about sinning and falling away.
    • Paul wrote to his churches with extreme tact: not wishing to offend anyone,
    asking for contributions to his ministry, and wanting to be welcome to visit them!

    Paul’s warnings are somewhat hidden and need to be pointed out
    They are written so super-tactfully that most people just gloss over them …
    because they are camoflaged by blessings, edifications, promises, exhortations, etc.
    2 examples follow …

    Romans 8:1-14
    This passage is NOT about these BACs being “in Christ”, “in the Spirit”, being saved, etc.
    This passage is warning them … Walk in the Spirit, or else you will face eternal death!
    The Good …
    Being in Christ (8:1), being free from the law of sin and death (8:2), Jesus condemned sin (8:3),
    being spiritually minded (8:6), being in the Spirit (8:9), God being in us (8:9,10,11), etc.
    The Bad …
    The “good” is NOT what the passage is about … we ignore the most important part.
    The problem is … Being “in the Spirit”, meaning “the Spirit of God dwells in you” (8:9,11),
    and “walking in the Spirit” … are two different things!
    The Ugly … the warnings …
    #1 … “There is … no condemnation to those who … (walk) according to the Spirit.” (8:1)
    #2 … “the righteous requirement of the law … (walk) according to the Spirit.” (8:4)
    #3 … “For to be carnally minded is (eternal) death” (8:6)
    #4 … “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God” (8:7)
    #5 … “brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.” (8:12)
    #6 … “For if you live according to the flesh you will die” (8:12)
    #7 … “if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” (8:13)
    #8 … “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (8:14)
    #9 … “we are children of God … joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him” (8:16-17)

    Romans 6:15-23
    This passage is NOT about these BACs being set free from slavery to sin.
    This passage is warning them … Stop sinning, or else you will face eternal death!
    The Good …
    Being set free from sin and becoming slaves of righteousness (6:18),
    being slaves of God they have their fruit to holiness and the end, everlasting life (6:22),
    the gift of God (for God’s elect, Rom 8:28-30) is eternal life in Christ Jesus (6:23).
    The Bad …
    The “good” is NOT what the passage is about … we ignore the most important part.
    The problem is … Being set free and now being fully ABLE to live righteously,
    and actually BEING righteous (practicing righteousness) … are two different things!
    The Ugly ... the warnings …
    • “Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
    Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
    OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (6:15-16)
    • “I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh …
    so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness” (6:19)

    • In times past, they were free … they had NO choice to make: to sin or not to sin:
    “For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.” (6:20)
    • And you thought this was only for unbelievers! “the wages of sin is (eternal) death” (6:23)
    • John also warned that it was necessary to practice righteousness:
    “… everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)
    “… let no one deceive you. (Only) he who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

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    You have to feed him the Word of God, he doesn't like it much, it usually causes him to abandon the thread and start a new one. So let's see if he can do anything with it this time...



    1John3:9 - "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".

    Let's see if he will deal with it :praying:
     
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    So far he hasn't
     
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    [​IMG]Shall I keep track of how many forum members have spiritual understanding?

    ............... Hmmm ... yes, t'would be a good idea ...

    Those having spiritual understanding: 1
    Those without spiritual understanding: 2

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    Brother, do you sin?
     
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    Yes - the flesh wars against the spirit.
     
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    My prayer for you is that you repent and come out from the false teachings and false doctrines that you keep reciting here!
     
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    Wonderful! I'm assuming it is yourself who you judge to have the spiritual understanding, so you shouldn't have any problem with an exegesis of....

    1John3:9 - "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".
     
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    Clint sincerely thanks everyone for giving his Beta version a good trial run,
    and now finally he has agreed to release his 2.0 version.
    So for your reading enjoyment, here is The Clint Eastwood Special V2.0 ...


    Background information
    • Paul was trained “in the Spirit” for 17 years in the desert regions (Galatians 1:16-2:2).
    • He received his spiritual information from the risen Jesus (Galatians 1:11-12).
    • Jesus called him to evangelize the Gentiles (Acts 26:17-18, Romans 15:15).

    Paul’s churches
    • He established all the churches in his epistles, except the one in Rome.
    • He was writing to dear friends (except in Rome), whom he did not wish to offend.
    • He really wanted to encourage, edify, and exhort his churches.
    • He really needed to warn the believers about sinning and falling away.
    • He wrote to his churches with extreme tact: not wishing to offend anyone,
    asking for contributions to his ministry, and wanting to be welcome to visit them!

    Paul’s warnings are somewhat hidden and need to be pointed out
    His warnings are written so super-tactfully that most people just gloss over them …
    because they are surrounded by blessings, edifications, promises, exhortations, etc.
    This “sugar-coating” actually borders on lying about the true situation of these BACs!
    We have enough space for 2 powerful examples …

    Romans 8:1-14
    This passage is NOT about these BACs being “in Christ”, “in the Spirit”, being saved, etc.
    This passage is warning them … Walk in the Spirit, or else you will face eternal death!
    The Good … (however, some of this is about where they should be, not where they are) …
    being in Christ (8:1), being free from the law of sin and death (8:2), Jesus condemned sin (8:3),
    being spiritually minded (8:6), being in the Spirit (8:9), God being in us (8:9,10,11), etc.
    The Bad … the “good” is NOT what the passage is about.
    The problem is … Being “in the Spirit” (meaning “the Spirit of God dwells in you” (8:9,11)
    and “walking in the Spirit” … are two different things!
    The Ugly … the warnings …
    • “There is … no condemnation to those who … (walk) according to the Spirit.” (8:1)
    • “the righteous requirement of the law … (walk) according to the Spirit.” (8:4)
    • “For to be carnally minded is (eternal) death” (8:6)
    • “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God” (8:7)
    • “brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.” (8:12)
    • “For if you live according to the flesh you will die” (8:12)
    • “if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” (8:13)
    • “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (8:14)
    • “we are children of God … joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him” (8:16-17)


    Romans 6:15-23
    This passage is NOT about these BACs having been set free from being slaves of sin.
    This passage is warning them … Stop sinning, or else you will face eternal death!
    Paul was giving them reasons why they do NOT have to continue to be slaves of sin.
    The Good … (however, it is mostly optimism about what should be happening) …
    being set free from sin and becoming slaves of righteousness (6:18),
    being slaves of God they have their fruit to holiness and the end, everlasting life (6:22),
    the gift of God (only for God’s elect, Rom 8:28-30) is eternal life in Christ Jesus (6:23).
    The Bad … the “good” is NOT what the passage is about.
    The problem is … Being set free and now being fully ABLE to live righteously,
    and actually BEING righteous (practicing righteousness) … are two different things!
    The Ugly … the warnings …
    • “Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!” (6:15)
    • “Do you not know that … you are that one’s slaves whom you obey …?” (6:16)

    Choose to be …
    “(slaves) of sin leading to death, OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (6:16)
    “I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh …
    so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness” (6:19)

    In times past, they were free … they had NO choice to make (to sin or not to sin):
    “For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.” (6:20)
    And you thought this was only for unbelievers! “the wages of sin is (eternal) death” (6:23)

    John also warned that it was necessary to practice righteousness:
    “… everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)
    “… let no one deceive you. (Only) he who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

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    Ouch! Wake me up when you have something new :sleep:
     
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    ***click!!***
     
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    The Super Sunday Survey

    How many forum members have spiritual understanding?

    Those having spiritual understanding: 1
    Those without spiritual understanding: 4


    One of the major reasons for such a disappointing showing
    is that most churches do not teach the truth, but what is popular!

    This is a fairly recent prophecy …

    Overwhelmingly, you preachers in the Bible belt do not have My Spirit.
    You teach a pre-digested word, one, which will gain you favor with your congregations,
    and you will not cause My people to repent!
    Therefore, My wrath is being poured out upon you, oh Bible belt churches,
    and I will only increase My anger; for I am wroth!
    And, through this great disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, I am beginning to strip your pride, oh America!
    In no nation on this earth are there more churches than in America, particularly in the Bible belt of America.
    You are an affront to Me, you filthy and perverted bunch; and I have set My sights on you!
    Therefore, you will either repent, or perish!

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    Yes we still await your spiritual wisdom oh wise one.....

    Oh when we'll he bless us with his gift of understanding!!!! Oh how we wait in anticipation!!

    Actually it is as old as the NT itself.....

    Rev 12:10 - "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night".
     
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    E-7 relies on the content of scripture in his posts - hands down more than any who have opposed him. It is hard to imagine how the statement above could be taking seriously by anyone who reads E-7 posts so far.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Now that is much more like the Bible vs non-Bible response or at best "less-Bible" response that we see between E-7 and others.

    So typical.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Hi Roberto,

    It's all about the necessity of an honest and open approach to Scripture
    without any preconceived biases, opinions, false doctrines, etc.

    Many pastors today are mere hirelings who pretend to be true shepherds of God's sheep.
    If they were being led by the Spirit, they would teach spiritual truth to the sheep.
    But, spiritual truth is not popular today in the Laodicean churches.
    These hirelings are in for a heap of trouble whilst they are in hell.

    I read a prophecy the other day about how some will be treated by demons in hell
    who may do anything they wish to the previously-human occupants.
    And this reminded me of Jesus' warning about people being tormented by demons in hell.

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    Thus far, you have been the only one who has been cheering him on.

    If you have been paying attention, it is not the content that he is relying upon, he himself has declared that it is his spiritual understanding that is his guide. Those opposing him are without the Holy Spirit and thus - un-saved.

    And you to your shame, encourage him :tear:

    My point is made.....

    Anyone opposing E7's pov (spiritual understanding) is going to hell. Give him another "at a boy" BobRyan.

    He reminds me of the one here who I believe was banned for telling everyone that if they did not agree with TULIP they were hell bound. Since E7's preaching has come up against some stiff biblical opposition, which he cannot answer, he has abandoned debate and has digressed into condemning his opposition to hell. Don't look for your new bud to be here much longer......less he repents soon.
     
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    Yes...still waiting ......... little less "burn in hell" for disagreeing rhetoric and a bit more exegesis would be helpful. We'll wait and see if he can repent of the path he is on here.
     
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    Yes, Roberto, as you can plainly see ...
    Steaver's credibility continues to trend downwards towards zero.
    The wise simply will pay no attention to him.

    I have never said that anyone here is unsaved ... that decision is strictly up to the Lord.
    However, BACs differ greatly in how closely they hear and follow the Spirit.
    And, of course, the unsaved CAN hear Him, but do not follow Him.
    (I definitely heard Him some years before I was born-again.)

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