Well-written: The problem with Obama & unions

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  1. rbell

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aJarhKRzqHqY

    From the article:

    And yet our Community-organizer-in-chief continues his tawdry affair with unions...especially with government unions--whose ethics, methods, and "values" make the other ones look good.
     
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    My wife was forced into a union- and she is a JANITOR! The U finally convinced enough of her greedy co-workers that they were "missing out" and they voted for it- I think the final tally was only one or two votes for over the 'agins'. they got a whopping .25/hr raise but get to pay the union more than that in monthly dues.

    There WAS a time and place for unions but today they do much more harm than good IMHO. I am sure that some will disagree- "Well, my daddy was union and he had a good experience" etc., but this isn't your daddy's union any more either.
     
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    Only in the sense that there WAS a time and place Nebuchadnezzar.
     
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    The SIEU? My wife was in it. It is possibly the only union that is trying to help the minimum wage workers and they have a tough row to hoe, mostly cooks, janitors, hotel workers . . . .

    Most of you complain about the high union dues that other people pay and then complain that the other people are making 10 grand a year more than you are. Plain envy.

    Most of the Teamsters I ever talked to couldn't care less what Dave Beck and Jimmy Hoffa theoretically "stole."

    Dave Beck lived in Seattle and from what I have read the entire city ran ran better when he was in power. He was a good mediator and people on both sides trusted him.
     
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    My Uncle Jeremy is in the Teamsters union.
     
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    Look, bill...you can ignore it all you want, but unions, by and large, are corrupt, they attract thuggery and intimidation, they encourage less work and productivity...and you have to pay for that "privilege." I experienced it firsthand.

    Of course, union sycophants aren't willing to critically evaluate the situation, so I don't expect you to. But truth is truth.

    And this guy (in the OP) absolutely nailed the problem with unions.
     
  8. Aaron

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    You know, the Babylonian Exile. God sent it, but Babylon was judged for it.

    Labor unions were never a good thing.
     
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    Oh no. They just got workers safer working conditions, weekends off, child labor laws passed, etc. How evil of them. But I am not surprised by your stance.

    There is nothing wrong with employees organizing to represent their interests. THe company's interest isn't always in the interest of the workers.
     
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    I have never understood why anyone would want to limit their earning potential by joining a union.
     
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    BTW, this employer-funded private health insurance you guys seem to love so much? Yep...won by labor unions.
     
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    >I have never understood why anyone would want to limit their earning potential by joining a union.

    So how much are you earning and what is your occupation? It is cheap to comment on other people's business without revealing your own. For all we know, you are on welfare.
     
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    Why bother? You wouldn't believe it anyway.

    Besides, why make this personal?

    Do you not admit that by joining a union one limits one's earnings potential to what the union agreement sets as compensation?

    Without the union one is free to take a risk and earn potentially far more.

    A self employed person has no guarantees but also has no limits.

    I don't understand why anyone would want to place those limitations on their future.
     
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    The article cited in the OP pretty much sums up the true effect of unionized labor.
     
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    You are describing the unions of generations ago. The unions of today do not share those goals. Their aims are much more self-serving and ultimately damaging to their workers.


    Well, we're about 1-2 billwald insults away from the "scab" comments he's so fond of.
     
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    Let's compare and contrast the work ethic commended by God, and that exemplified by unions and see how they match up:

    Gospel Work Ethic/Union Work Ethic
    1. . . . be content with your wages, Luke 3:14./ You're underpaid—always.

    2. Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed, Titus 6:1 / Stick it to the man.

    3. Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again, Titus 2:9 / Stick it to the man.

    4. Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. Titus 2:10 / Stick it to the man. Take it home "one piece at a time." Sabotage the equipment. Be disruptive.

    Need I go on?
     
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    He's backed off the "scab" thing since it was revealed that he will soon be living in the house that scab built - and blaming it on his wife.
     
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    MP: Oh no. They just got workers safer working conditions, weekends off, child labor laws passed, etc.

    RBell: You are describing the unions of generations ago. The unions of today do not share those goals. Their aims are much more self-serving and ultimately damaging to their workers.


    Check this out from John Stossel. It pretty much sums up the union mentality. Except I would suggest that even in the private sector unions don't care if they destroy the very hand that feeds them. http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/02/16/what-union-leaders-really-think/
     
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    So sad but true. Government union are doing directly what the other union are doing indirectly, I don't care what it cost other people, I'm going to get mine.

    Years ago I was at a church in Ar. and the joke was how are we going to buy a car or pickup truck from people making $25 an hour plus health and welfare and other benefits and our governor makes $10,000 a year.
     
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    >Do you not admit that by joining a union one limits one's earnings potential to what the union agreement sets as compensation?

    >Without the union one is free to take a risk and earn potentially far more.

    >A self employed person has no guarantees but also has no limits.

    Theoretically true. It is also theoretically that any (natural born) US citizen can grow up to be the president.

    Pragmatically, in any specific trade, the unionized worker makes more than the the scab worker which is what you are all are mostly complaining about.

    >I'm not impressed that any citizen can grow up to be president because at any given time only 1 out maybe 100 million legally qualified people holds that job. Saying an independent can make more money is not useful when well all know that most don't.

    >Why bother? You wouldn't believe it anyway.

    Tell us that you are an independent carpenter making $75K a year and why should I not believe you?

    >Besides, why make this personal?

    Because talk is cheap and I know human nature. Most people try to put on a front that they are doing better than they are. This is one reason why people let themselves let themselves get ripped off by credit companies, the reason for the bubble that just popped. Why should this be less a characteristic of the people on this list than any other sub set of mostly white Americans?
     

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