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Were they really saved?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by His Blood Spoke My Name, Jan 8, 2007.

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  1. Claudia_T

    Claudia_T New Member

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    I hope nobody will mind me telling that story and in such a graphic way but I just wanted to illustrate my point.

    and let me tell ya, one time I was on a Christian forum and it was the only other time I had ever told that story and most of the Christians on there started calling me a murderer and telling me I was going to Hell...

    it made me start crying... it was horrible.
     
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  2. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Suicide is not working for God though, Claudia.
     
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  3. rbell

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    Nice sidestep.

    Take four for HBSMN: If you died today, and there was an unconfessed sin in your life, would you go to hell?
     
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  4. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    From what I gather, Claudia, you did not even have a relationship with the Lord during that time. How do I gather that? Because of the statement that you did not know anything about the Bible. If you know nothing about the Bible, you can't possibly know the God of the Bible.

    That being said, since then, if you made a profession in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and trusted His blood as the atonement for your sin, the choice to let the baby die rather than yourself is not remembered by Him. It was cast into the depths of the sea to be remembered no more.

    'And such were some of you, but ye are washed...'

    But if you chose to murder and never repented, you would spend eternity lost if you died.
     
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    I dont think so, dont you see that by leaving the IUD in I wouldve been choosing to murder myself AND the baby?


    Kinda like if you had a spear stuck through you and by allowing someone to pull it out it would save your life... but you just choose to leave it in there instead... allowing yourself to die.

    The doctor told me I would probably go into shock and die.
     
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    and thats what Im saying... we cannot know EVERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY situation and how God is going to view it, because He alone knows the heart
     
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    Claudia, no matter how many times we have disagreed on some things, my heart goes out to you. What a difficult decision you had to make. God does know the heart. Thank goodness. If I were you, I wouldn't even try to defend your decision as there is nothing that needs defending. :1_grouphug:
     
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    I can understand this, but then it can get into none of us having any assurance. Yes, once you cross that threshhold, it is too late, and what if we weren't really saved. On the other hand, trying to scare a suicidal person (or anyone else deep in pain) with cold judgment, on the basis that they should be enjoying their pain, and thus do not have faith in Christ, only increases their despair, and can be the thing that pushes them over that edge.
    And that is the problem in this teaching, and it goes beyond just those who say that suicides alway go to hell.
    Yes, there was a much bigger problem in the person's life (obviulsoy, he is not doing it for the fun of it). But the problem is, we redefine "faith" to be some sort of good attitude towards pain that would always prevent such feelings or actions. Then, on top of it, we we think the mundane problems we go through today fulfill the "tribulations" the Bible spoke of, so the person "has not persevered till the end", as SFIC put it. That is taking everything out of context!
     
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    So again, it is the time element, that in order to gain forgiveness, the "sin" must be repented of after each occurrence. (Like Catholics and Campbellists teach. And suicide is not something one "keeps" doing, but an often rash reaction that simply cannot be undone).
     
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    Will it ever end? :confused:
     
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  11. Amy.G

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    I don't think so.

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    I really think this board needs a new title. Something like:

    Baptist Board : Welcome to the land of confusion

    or

    Baptist Board : The no.1 place on the net to argue with other believers
     
    #32 xdisciplex, Jan 8, 2007
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    BaptistBoard: The Only Army That Kills Our Wounded.
     
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    Take number five for HBSMN:

    If you died today, and there was an unconfessed sin in your life, would you go to hell?
     
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    Baptist Board: ..........
     
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    SFIC...

    I could fill the page here with posts I've made in the last couple of days about how God is repulsed by sin. Thanks for ignoring those.

    It absolutely has amazed me that somehow...on the basis that we believe in God's grace and mercy...that you think we embrace the sin.

    Could you please quit putting words in our mouth??? I believe in Romans 6:1. I believe that God will severely punish those who are living sinfully that are His children...sometimes, I believe, He enacts the ultimate earthly punishment.

    But you, and a couple of others, have made "a list" of sins that God won't let folks into heaven for. That "list" is being applied inconsistently for one (you have less contempt for those who lie or are fearful than for those who commit suicide), and isn't even biblical besides (can someone say "eisegesis?")

    You and I will have a laugh together in heaven...when of the folks you were convinced not being there come and hug your neck.
     
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    Bite your tongue! I like it here.
     
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    I have to wonder if, by that logic, those who feel a bit of fear while being tortured before they're martyred will wind up in Hell. "The fearful" are on that list, too, remember?

    Michael
     
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  20. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    What would ever make anyone believe that God would dessert His care for His children in time of trial to allow them to feel like there is no hope for them, without solution and resolution?" I just cannot find anything in the Word of God that would cause anyone to believe that. As a matter of fact, in the Gospel of John, Jesus said:
    • "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
     
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