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I'm sorry SBM but this sounds like an episode of buffy the vampire slayer or Supernatural. You are saying Cain was not the son of Adam but the son of the serpent which would make Eve a (to be discrete) a lady of the evening which would make cain half demon. Maybe you think he's the father of all vampires? I don't think you're properly exegeting the passage properly.

 

Well, you believe this is you wish. It's not what I'd call a salvation issue.

 

Well then, that would mean Cain is not a sinner because Paul says that sin entered the world through Adam and by Adam to all his descendants - Rom. 5:12-19. Since Cain and all his geneoloy are not descendants of Adam and they are not "seed" of Christ then they could not be subject to sin and death. Can you find a THIRD source in Romans 5:12-19 for sin and death????

Readers, it does not matter what evidence you place before SMB or how irrational his views are, he will not admit to error even though his errors are oh so obvious!

 

I get what's being said; spiritually, Cain was of the devil.

But I guess the question is: So? As has been pointed out, none of Cain's offspring survived the flood. So why the big deal about Cain being spiritually bereft?

 

The typology is thick here, for real:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1528709&postcount=3

As Cain killed Abel, so the Jews killed Christ.

As God appointed Seth instead of Abel (because Cain slew him), so Christ rose from the dead.

 

This text says no such thing. "death reigned FROM ADAM" not from "cain." Second, This text does not deny these from Adam to Moses did not sin in Adam but only denies they sinned LIKE (similitude) Adam sinned.

Third, why is the limitation TO MOSES if as you claim all the non-elect in all ages are the subject here???? It is obvious "TO MOSES" refers to the Law given by Moses. His point is that DEATH cannot be attributed to these because of WILLFUL sin (which is the likness of Adam's sin) or to violation of the Mosaic Law and so death can only be attributed to the fact they were IN ADAM when he sinned! This is the point stated in Romans 5:12 which Romans 5:13-14 logically proves.

Not only must you deny they sinned in Adam and therefore their death does not originate from Adam's sin but you must also deny they are HUMAN BEINGSS because MANKIND was created "in Adam."

However, you have even a bigger problem with this context. You have "ALL" who die represented by one man's sin being contrasted consistently with "ALL" who are represented by Christ in Romans 5:15-19. Who then are "ALL" those that Adam represented in his sin and who received CONDEMNATION:

Rom. 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.


You have been denying that the elect were ever condemned! Who are these represented by Adam unto "CONDEMNATION"? It is by One man that death entered the world, and by death sin and by sin condemnation! UPON WHO? Romans 5:15-19 contrasts only TWO MEN not THREE! Those represented by Adam were brought under CONDEMNATION.

 

SBM is pontificating the "two seed"/"serpent seed" doctrine, if ever I've seen it.

 

Readers, notice how SBM simply ignored the Biblical evidence I placed before him and merely asserted his position again without dealing with the contextual evidence presented against his veiws.

Why? Because he cannot deal with the problems I placed before him , especially the contextual fact that "ALL" those represented by Adam were brought under "CONDEMNATION"!

These CONDEMNED were "in Adam" not in Cain. If he attempts to say they were "all" those represented by one man Christ then he admits the elect were under CONDEMNATION in Adam.

Who are those "condemned" IN ADAM??????? Can't be those in Cain's line as SBM denies the Cain line were "in Adam."

 

He is advocating the "two seed" heresy; all who fell in Adam will be saved, all who fell in Cain, won't.....similiar to the Kenites that Arnold Murray advocates.

 

And this has been proven heretical. Hold to it as you wish. This post is being reported to the Mods right now!

 

Well, you said that Cain was not of the lineage of Adam. The two seed doctrine states that satan had intercourse with Eve, and she brought forth Cain. If Cain is not of Adam's lineage, then satan "fooled around" with Eve. I do not agree with this, but this is the only way that Cain could not be of Adam's lineage.

 

No, he just don't believe YOUR interpretation of God's Word. In the fall of Adam, the human nature became depraved or took upon the same character or likeness of Satan's nature. However, there will be born of "the seed of the woman" a Savior who will redeem "many" of the fallen race of Adam, all of whom will be BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. However, "many" will never repent of sin and continue in the fallen nature of which Satan is the "Father" not in the sense of SEXUAL origin but in the sene of SPIRITUAL likeness.

Romans 5:15-19 contrast the "all" created in Adam, condemned in Adam versus the "all" recreated (born again) in Christ and justified in Christ.