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  1. The Biblicist

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    There is not one word of explanation on that thread pertaining to this problem! In that thread you consistently interpret the contrast between TWO heads not THREE and yet this doctrine demands THREE heads (Adam, Cain, Christ).

    You deny that those in the line of Cain died "in Adam" because you deny the line of Cain were created "in Adam." Therefore, who are "ALL" those "CONDEMNED" in Adam??????? Why does not Paul distinguish between those represented by Cain's line of descent in contrast to those represented by Adam and Christ in Romans 5 if your doctrine is true???????
     
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    Who are those "CONDEMNED" in Adam and by Adam's one act???? They are the same ones that Adam's one act brought death upon - who are they?
     
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    Furthermore, if Cain was not in Adam's lineage, then he never fell, seeing that in Adam, all die.
     
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    It is not my interpretation, it is God's word Gen 3:14-15

    14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    This is clear and simple !

    Yes, through the Fall, the Elect of God were given a nature liken unto satan's nature, hence we have Eph 2:3

    All without exception who fell in Adam shall be redeemed, no doubt about it.
    That would be the seed of the serpent, because all for whom Christ died, those who fell in Adam, shall be begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead. 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    This being begotten again gives them repentance, for the word begotten again is the greek word anagennaō and it means:


    to produce again, be born again, born anew

    2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

    Those who fell in Adam, shall be redeemed by the seed of the Woman Christ, and partake of His Death and Resurrection for them and be granted repentance [ a change of mind] through the resurrection of the Seed of the woman [Christ] from the dead !

    Correct, but the Elect were never satan's spiritual children, only his captives ! They were always God's children !

    God grants all the elect repentance from the captivity of satan 2 Tim 2:25-26

    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    " to the acknowledging of the truth" is the same as Titus 1:1

    Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;



    Acts 11:18


    When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

    Thats how the children of God are manifested and the children of the devil

    1 Jn 3:10

    In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

    The Children of God will become manifested when they are given repentance unto the acknowledging of the Truth, until then they cannot be distinguished from the actual children of the devil, who will never acknowledge the Truth !
     
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    I already delt with that lame excuse, see post # 25
     
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    How you interpet scripture, one can prove anything they desire!

    1. Nowhere can you find where death entered the human race other than through ONE MAN - Adam.

    2. Nowhere can you find that Satan created Cain or any in the lineage of Cain.

    3. Nowhere can you find death outside of Adam among human beings "In Adam ALL die"

    4. All who fell in Adam were CONDEMNED and yet your view denies the elect were ever condemned.

    5. Nowhere can you find THREE HEADS of humanity - Adam, Cain and Christ.
     
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    And I have read your lame theology for a long time now. So??
     
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    Well ok, next !
     
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    Here is post #25. He quotes 1 Jn 3:18 to prove that Cain sinned in Satan rather than Adam????? Let us look at his proof text.

    He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. The devil did not sin in Adam !

    Now lets ask some questions:

    1. Did John say "He that committeth sin" or "ONLY CAIN'S DESCENDENTS committeth sin" are of the Devil?


    2. Did Adam commit sin?

    3. Have you ever committed sin?

    Does not Paul say "FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE for ALL HAVE SINNED"?????

    Now what did John say was the CRITERIA to be "of the devil"?????
     
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    Who said anything that ? But how does that explain how the devl sinned in the beginning ? Are you insinuating that the devil sinned in Adam ? Do you insinuate that the angels that sinned, sinned in adam ?
     
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    Yes, in context that is talking about both jew and gentile Elect did sin in Adam.

    Cain did not sin in Adam, for he was not in Adam when God created him in the Image of God, See Gen 5:1ff

    Also because cain did not sin in Adam, he did sin in his Father the devil ! The devil sinneth from the beginning, and Jesus identifies him [the devil] as a Father in the beginning Jn 8:44


    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He[Your Father] was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for[Your Father the devil] he is a liar, and the father of it
     
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    Where did I say cain was a head ? Please show us that post or admit you are slandering and misrepresenting just like another one here. And, yes, there is another third head, the devil. He being called a Father is assenting that he is a head of a segment. The word Father patēr means:


    the originator and transmitter of anything

    1) the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself

    2) one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds


    a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David

    The progenitor of a people has a seed, an offspring, God established the fact that the serpent had a offspring Gal 3:14-15

    14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
     
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    You have proved nothing I posted heretical, you have only slandered and misrepresented me and reject the Truth !
     
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    Come on SBM, man up and respond to this post. This post alone is sufficient to expose your theories as false doctrines.
     
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    I don't recall the conversation being about how the devil sinned???????

    What I recall is the source of HUMAN SIN! You cannot quote 1 Jn. 3:18 unless you prove that no one but the non-elect sin because the criterial of that text to be "of the devil" is "He that committeth sin."

    1. Did Adam commit sin?

    2. Who among men have not committed sin?

    Obviously your interpretation of 1 Jnn 3:18 is as wrong as your interpretation of Gen. 3:15. To be "of the devil" simply means a FOLLOWER in the case of Adam and Eve which included all humanity AND a partaker of his fallen kind of nature, which again all humanity are partakers.
     
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    All you doing is talking, I put up scripture !
     
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    Well you have not been paying attention, I mentioned it earlier, and cain sinned in his Father the devil, not Adam. Adam's seed sinned in him in the beginning, and satan's seed sinned in him in the beginnig !

    Thats a idiotic question, for I have stated many times that cain did not sin in Adam, but the Elect did sin in Adam !
     
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    Absolutely false! Romans 1:18-3:23 is one developmental context proving there are "NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE" among the human race and this is proven by the fact that Paul quotes Psalm 14:2 in Romans 3:10-11 which makes "Jews" and "gentiles" in Romans 3:9 "ALL THE WORLD" (Rom. 3:19-20) including all "FLESH" and "EVERY MOUTH" among all humans in all generations of mankind:

    Psalm 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
    3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    Not "the children of God" but the "children OF MEN".

    Furthermore, your rediculous intepretation of Romans 3:23 that this text only refers to the elect would exclude "all the world" (Rom. 3:19-20) and "every mouth" and some "flesh" (Rom. 3:19-20] contrary to the very preceding context that Romans 3:23 is but the conclusion to.
     
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    Satan is not HUMAN! Only Cain and his descendants are HUMAN and Cain is the source of his geneological HUMAN prosterity which you claim did not originate in Adam.

    Again, you cannot use 1 Joh n 3:18 to prove that Cain and his descendants are the only ones this text refers to as the criteria for being "of the devil" in this text is "He that committeth sin" is of the devil.

    1. Did Adam commit sin?
    2. Have you committed sin?
    3. Are there any humans that have not committed sin?
    4. Are there unregenerated elect on earth right now who are not committing sin?

    Trying to pervert Romans 3:23 and force it to only apply to the elect does not prove the elect have not committed sin!
     
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