I read Romans 7 and 8 today. I always thought that the person described in Romans 7 which struggles with sin and which doesn't do what she wants but does what she doesn't want is a christian. But I'm not so sure anymore. What if this person Paul talks about is the normal,unsaved man who struggles with sin? What if this is not a christian? Because usually when I read this passage then it makes me feel better because I feel a lot like this person which Paul describes but what if Paul is not describing a christian? Oh boy... Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. But verse 22 says that this person delights in the law of God. Does an unbeliever or an orthodox jew delight in the law of God after the inward man? Some people say that Paul is talking about himself before his conversion, could this be true? So I read until verse 25 and after reading verse I felt better again because of verse 24 and verse 25. Verse 23 sounds as if christians would always struggle with this and do what they don't want to do. But then Paul goes on in Romans 8 and says that the Spirit of life made him free from the law of sin!!!! Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Do you know what this means? This means that now he's no longer in this vicious circle where he sins even though he doesn't want to! This means that if you felt good after reading Romans 7 and felt "understood" and thought that what you experience is normal then you're wrong because in Romans 8 Paul says that he's free from it now! But I am not free from it. And what also scared me is this: Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Does this mean that a christian who walks after the flesh will be condemned? Does this mean you are only not condemned if you walk after the spirit? But what about carnal christians? Will they be condemned? Some bible are even missing the last part, they only say that there is no condemnation for those which are in Christ Jesus and you read this and think: Great! But they are missing the last part which says "who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit". Now I'm scared again. It's always the same, whenever I read the bible I end up scared and confused. Somehow it also doesn't make sense. First Paul says that our flesh is crucified and dead, then why should he later on say that we will always keep on sinning and do what we don't want to do? What if Romans 7 is not about christians and the christians read this and feel good because they think that this is about them and that what they experience is normal and that they will always sin and struggle with sin and they are totally wrong and the truth is that they are either carnal or maybe not even real christians and then they die and go to hell? This is scary.