What about carnal christians?

He is a saved person for the NATURAL man does not even DESIRE to fulfill the Law of God. They do NOT have the LAW "Written on the heart" for that only happens in the NEW Covenant which is in fact the ONE Gospel for all time.

However when the born-again Christian is confronted with the problem identified in Romans 7 -- they are led to the "walk by the Spirit" solution of Romans 8.

Many times your posts seem to be at the point of the born-again Christian awakened in the New Birth to the problem of Romans 7 but not stepping into the Romans 8 solution.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Paul is a follower of Christ. His discussion in 7 and 8 is explanatory, for your benefit. He explains the battle between flesh and spirit for the reader.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

"who walk not after the flesh" is descriptive of those who have been born again -- they now follow Christ. They used to walk after the flesh, but now they "walk after the Spirit."

 

Paul compares the old man and the new man. Your status, your standing before God, is walking in or after the Spirit, once you are born again. Your status or standing is no longer walking in or after the flesh. God's forgiveness for your sin and sins at the Cross was total. Not only forgiven, but forgotten. God will never bring them to your attention again, in this life or the life hereafter. You have been set free from sin.

Will you still sin? Yes. Does that jeopardize your walk? No. How do you make amends for sin? 1 John 1:9.

The scriptures are clear. You cannot ask any question that is not answered in the bible. You need to stop thinking up so many different situations and then chasing after all sorts of irrational conclusions. Seek a mentor.

 

xdisciplex do not be deceived what a man sows he will reap. Now if a man that has been saved could only reap to the Spirit which is what some would have you believe then why would he need to be warned not to reap to the flesh?

Of course you can still walk after the flesh. Just because someone is saved, does not mean they are walking after the Spirit. How absurd to say that when a saved person sins they are walking after the Spirit.

 

No one said that, Jump. You're confused. Go to bed. Sleep it off. You clearly do not rightly divide the word of truth. Your response only adds to the confusion of xdx. Leave him alone. He has enough problems without you adding to the mix. You talk about not understanding Greek while you need to work on simple English verb and noun phrases.

There is a HUGE difference between my status, my standing before God, and what I do daily in the flesh. Nothing can alter my standing before him. I am OSAS. I have been bought with a price. When he looks at me he sees not what I used to be, he sees Jesus. That's my status, my standing, clothed in his righteousness. While I do things that are displeasing to God, my status, my standing before him remains the same: saved. I do not become unsaved. In like manner my status, my standing before him does not change depending upon my moment-by-moment behavior. My status-standing is a constant.

 

DQ you once again show your inability to read and understand someone's post.

I never said ANYTHING about being saved and then unsaved. I just got through explaining to Bob Ryan that Scripture clearly indicates that once we are saved we are saved for ever and ever.

What you and many others like fail to understand is that we are still accountable for the sins that we commit. They don't just magically disappear. Reaping what you sow has NOTHING to do with eternal salvation. Reaping what you sow come after eternal salvation is a done deal.

Walking in the Spirit is to be a present reality not a final standing thing. We are to daily/moment-by-moment walking in the Spirit. But just because we are saved doen't mean we WILL walk in the Spirit. Again that's why we are commanded to do it, because the possibilty is there that we won't.

Maybe instead of trying to be so comical with your non-helpful one liners, maybe you could try reading for understanding. And if you don't understand what you read try asking for clarification before making basless accusations. That would certainly be a novel idea for some on here.

 

Romans 8 shows how to win the struggle.

Romans 7 shows how to recognize that it exists to start with - at the point of the New Birth.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Your 'shot' at J. Jump was really uncalled for, here, for he said nothing about any Greek, nor did he post anything that is Biblically incorrect here, that I can see.

Ed

 

Ed ....... in another thread JJump challenged another poster to look at the Greek text in order to better understand the meaning of a word in scripture. That's my reference. My response was for JJump to learn a little more about English, as in positions which are static, unchanging. I used "saved" as an example of a word in scripture that is static; once applied it does not become "unsaved." The title of this thread is static. It is unchanging. As a sentence is typed below, it is not static. It is changing.

JJump is confusing the activity of daily sins with one's static, unchanging position/status/standing in Christ. He'll see that eventually, I think.

Before receiving Christ as Savior, one's position was "walking after the flesh." After receiving Christ as Savior, one's position is "walking after the spirit." Positionally, that is static, unchanging. One's static position, one's standing, one's status, before Christ, does not change. Goal posts are static; the guy running with the ball is not.

Comitting daily sins is altogether another issue. They are, if you will, constantly flowing, changing. Of course we all sin, and that daily. That is the very opposite of static. Daily sins are a verb, if you will, while the Believer's status-standing is fixed, is static, a noun, if you will.

Now some of our English grammarians on the BB can come in and state that in far fewer words.

JJumps response to my post indicates that he and I are talking past each other. He is the one who is calling me out of the pulpit, based solely upon his misunderstanding.

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J.Jump's response to this thread was directed to xdiscilpex, alone, as it clearly stated in the post. It is not unreasonable to expect to keep this, or any thread on track, and not try to score 'brownie points', IMO. There are more than enough "hi-jacks" without adding to the number, again, IMO.
And Language Cop will keep his mouth shut, here.

Ed

 

xdx, you must understand scripture in context. The bible itself is a marvelous context. When you read it from that POV, your standing before God is "a follower of Christ," born again, "a walker in the spirit."

DQ
Language Specialist

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