What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

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    Rom 10:9-10

    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    This passage here is not Paul setting forth any conditions man must meet in order to get saved, but merely is he declaring a certain fact, those who receive the Testimony of the Gospel, in this context the jews, shall be saved, in other words, their receiving the Testimony of the Gospel identifies them as those being saved by Christ's Death for them !

    1 Cor 1:18

    For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    The word saved here is in the present tense, and it is passive voice, those who are being saved or converted by the Preaching of the Cross ! And that is what Paul says that evidences this conversion work in those activities of Rom 10:9-10 , for both Believing and Confessing are evidences of Conversion taking Place by the Power of God, the Gospel Rom 1:16

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    believeth here is also in the present tense, meaning believing, they are believing because they are being saved or converted by the Preaching !

    Those who use Rom 10:9-10 in order to set forth a Conditonal Salvation, that is getting saved is contingent upon man's obedience or man's believing and confessing, they are guilty of perverting scripture and promoting a accursed gospel of works ! Gal 1:8-9
     
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    >9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    True but not useful. Why not? Because one doesn't know if one believes "in thine heart" and doesn't know if another person believes in his heart.

    Further, in those days of anatomical ignorance, "In thine heart" meant "In thine brain (read)" because they thought the heart was the center of being and the brain was a heat radiator. Thus, the statement, "Head knowledge, not heart knowledge," is meaningless.
     
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    Apostle paul was stating that the saved will be those who have placed faith in Jesus , and they will be able to believe in jesus in the biblical meaning of that !
     
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    You are teaching a False Gospel, a salvation by works Gal 1:8-9
     
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    Perhaps the same Scripture should be applied to you.
    Any reason not to?
    You cannot explain Eph.2:8,9,
    We are saved through faith. You say faith is a work. The Bible there says that is how we are saved. In the same passage it says we are not saved through works. You have the Bible contradicting itself, not to say that you also believe in a works-based salvation.
     
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    Do you have ANY new testament verse that states one can be saved by god apart from faith/belief in jesus as Saviour/Messiah?
     
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    You continue to misuse scripture [offensive language edited]
     
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    Now THAT is an excellent question.
     
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    I already have, that passage is saying the same as Rom 11:5-6 Salvation by being of the Election of Grace ! If you reject the fact that in order for one to be saved, that they must have been part of the Election of Grace, singled out before the world began, Chosen in Christ before the world began, then you do not believe Eph 2:8-9.

    You think you do, but you don't !
     
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    I have already shared scripture that all for whom Christ died, that His resurrection gives evidence that they are Justified before God without Faith Rom 4:25

    25Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

    But you do not believe this Truth, and insist on salvation or Justification by works !
     
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    You just believe in salvation by works ! And you failed to address the scriptures that I posted in the OP !
     
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    Try to understand it again. This time read it more carefully:

    Perhaps the same Scripture should be applied to you.
    Any reason not to?
    You cannot explain Eph.2:8,9,
    We are saved through faith. You say faith is a work. The Bible there says that is how we are saved. In the same passage it says we are not saved through works. You have the Bible contradicting itself, not to say that you also believe in a works-based salvation.


    According to Hebrews 11:6,
    Grace and works do not mix.

    According to Eph.2:8,9.
    Faith and works do not mix.

    Therefore both grace and faith are not works.
     
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    it is not me that needs understanding of it, but you !
     
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    Then why can't you explain the Scriptures??
     
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    Maybe due to the possibility that he has had his 'revelations" NOT from the Holy Spirit, but another one?
     
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    I have explained plenty of scriptures already, you just reject the Truth ! Rom 10:9-10 is not teaching one must do something to get saved ! It is Teaching what to look for as evidences of genuines conversion, of having been born again !
     
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    Absolutely, and you teach that one is saved by their work, their act of believing, so you do not believe Eph 2:8-9 You mix grace with work !
     
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    Faith and works do not mix, but you define faith as a work. Thus you are the one that does not believe Eph.2:8,9. Faith is not a work.
     
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    You mix Faith and works. You state that one must do something to get saved, that one must believe to get saved. I have showed you that believing is something man does, a work !
     
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    The Bible states:
    Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

    I didn't say that; the bible did!
    If you deny the Bible, there is no more hope left.
     

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