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What about the IFB Baptist group?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Alive in Christ, Feb 13, 2011.

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Come and see us. We'd love to have you.
     
    #21 NaasPreacher (C4K), Feb 14, 2011
  2. glfredrick

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    I don't doubt it... Your invitation alone sets you apart from those who would call me Satan, a son of the Pope, a sinner, etc... :laugh:
     
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  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Our church is full of folks who battle sin, including the pastor.
     
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  4. DHK

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    This is not a classic example. It is the equivalent of getting all of your apologetic sources from "Chick Publications." Those knowledgeable about this website know right away what kind of site it is, and how it is quoted often for their information, and often their misinformation. And if you are using this site as an example of a typical IFB site you are doing the same thing--using the site as an example to show how misinformed you are about the IFB movement.
     
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  5. TCassidy

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    What I posted is the very definition of IFB which you chose to attack. You cannot attack IFBs without attacking what we believe and what we are. Independent. Fundamental. Baptist.
    Yes, you did, but still managed to paint all IFBs with the same broad brush.
    You posted ONE link produced by ONE IFB church, possibly with the cooperation of others and inferred, incorrectly, they are representative of virtually all IFBs. That is untrue. They represent the radical fringe, not the core of IFBs.
    I have been an Independent Fundamental Baptist pastor for 37 years. I attended an Independent Fundamental Baptist Seminary. I have pastored nothing but Independent Fundamental Baptist churches in that time and have been pastor of our present Independent Fundamental Baptist Church for over 25 years. I taught at an Independent Fundamental Baptist College, and an Independent Fundamental Baptist Seminary for well over 25 years.

    To attempt to create a dichotomy between the fundamentals and fundamentalism is simple sophistry.
    The vast majority of IFBs are otherwise as Dr. Bob clearly laid out for you, but you did not accept it but continued to slander all IFBs on the basis of your lack of experience and discernment.
    I don't wear panties, and my undergarments are not twisted. But I will defend good and Godly men and churches from the bitter slander spewed forth by those who condemn all on the basis of a vast minority of toxic men and churches.
    Yes, you are bitter. You blame all IFBs for the abuses of a few, and by so doing you slander the vast majority who love the Lord and love the Lord's people.
    You are the one who condemned IFBs. The "I" in IFB stands for "Independent" as in "opposed to a church being lorded over by popes, cardinals, archbishops, etc." If you are going to condemn all IFBs you condemn Independence, Fundamentalism, and Baptists. QED

    I suggest you take your own advice and "do a little homework." If you will get off the internet and get out in the real world for a while you will find there are many IFB men and churches who are the opposite of what you characterize us to be.
     
    #25 TCassidy, Feb 14, 2011
  6. robt.k.fall

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    130 years old and counting

    This year Hamilton Square Baptist Church of San Francisco celebrates her 130th birthday. She's been independent and Fundemental (the founding document actually say "we hold to the positions held by the Regular Baptists)) since 1881. Y'all are invited out for the celebration.

    www.hamiltonsquare.net

    The home page has a link to Pastor Innes' sermons on Sermon Audio.

    http://www.hamiltonsquare.net/sermonaudio.htm
     
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  7. TCassidy

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    Excellent example of a balanced, loving IFB church. Even back in the days of "The Blueprint" and the Winegar brothers, it was the more moderate of the two who pastored Hamilton Square. :)
     
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    Okay, I'll publish 20 other web sites if you don't like that one...
     
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    Not saying that they do not exist.
     
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    When it comes to info on IFB churches I find your research wanting. Even the other link had flaws in it. The most popular sites are not examples of the most typical sites. In other words, CHICK sites may be popular, but they are not typical of most Baptists.

    Here is a site where you can find a reasonable array of IFB churches across the nation:

    http://baptistinfo.com/directory.shtml
     
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    It seems that I have touched a raw nerve.

    Do the IFB persons on this site disavow some of their brothers who are prone to excess? Or, do you support them in their efforts?

    Do you turn to those pages to find points for debates, or do you disavow them in the heat of an argument also?

    Just wondering, for I've seen some of that crud surface here on more than one occasion (in fact, just about every occasion!).

    Again, I have NOTHING against an IFB that is in line with God's Word, and where the pastor and people are doing what Christ told us to do.

    I have the entire weight of the Scriptures against those who hate everyone and who take their separation as their primary goal. That is not of God.

    If you and your IFB church is in the first camp, God bless, and good for you. If, on the other hand, you and your church are preaching against everyone else and their churches, then you are the one's I am speaking about, and rightfully so.
     
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    I can find 20 web sites that show that "community churches" support gay pastors. By your line of reasoning, your Sojourn Community Church supports gay pastors.
     
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  13. DHK

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    This is a debate forum, not a church. It is "the crud" that surfaces along with all the emotion that you are displaying in a debate forum where we all can hide behind our computers anonymously and hash out whatever we want without being held accountable for it. There are a few of us like Dr. Cassidy, that are well known. Most others are anonymous.
    What pages? Debate can be good. Iron sharpeneth iron.
    Perhaps you should define "crud". BTW, if you are looking for a perfect church, you will never find one. If you do, don't join it. It won't be perfect any longer.
    That is the way most of us are. I am sorry if you had a bad experience. Don't wipe us all with a broad brush. I know of Roman Catholic who turned to the RCC because she grew up in Baptist Church with a poor testimony. She had a bad experience in Baptist Church. Fortunately not all IFB churches are like that.
    I have the entire weight of Scripture for me to use against folks like you who broadbrush an entire camp of sincere Bible-believing brethren like that. There are six things that God hates, and seven that are an abomination to him. The seventh is "he that sows discord among the brethren."
    As one poster posted about some Community churches having gay pastors, would you preach "against" that sin. Or does that fall into your area of "preaching against everyone else and their churches?"
     
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    Now, now, I'm sure Fred knows what he is talking about.
    After all, hasn't he has told us that he has studied "under some of the brightest lights in the history of God's church" at the Seminary whose scholarship is "second to none in history"?
     
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    You guys keep making my points...

    Thanks, I guess. :wavey:
     
    #35 glfredrick, Feb 14, 2011
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    I am yet another recovering IFB with many recovering friends. Several of my family members are still held by the Pharisaic deception. The following is a more accurate portrayal of the BAPTIST anagram as it relates to IFB's in the South:


    1 B: Baptist authority
    2 A: Authority of the church in all things
    3 P: Priesthood of the pastor
    4 T: Three ordinances (Baptism, The Lord's Supper & Church Attendance)
    5 I: Individual Soul Submission to the church
    6 S: Saved Church Membership (True, but they misunderstand the Biblical definition)
    7 T: Three Offices (Pastor, pastor's wife & Deacon)
    8 S: Separation of church and expository teaching
     
    #36 michael-acts17:11, Feb 14, 2011
  17. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Isn't in interesting that the vitriol can spew from the keyboards of both sides of this discussion?

    Can that really be of God?
     
    #37 NaasPreacher (C4K), Feb 14, 2011
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    Do you know who came up with the orginal anagram? Click here for the answer

    and click here to vote in the poll
     
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    Of course as a side note "Real" IBF'ers do not consider the GARBC, CBA, ect to be Independent - fundamental - maybe (of course they are on shaky ground now) but definitely not independent - according to the "Real" IBF'ers
     
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    This has been my experience also, with a very few exceptions!!!!...
    I praise God that He led me out of the darkness of IFB!
     
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