What about the IFB Baptist group?

METROPOLITAN COMMUNITY CHURCHES. The simple use of "community"does not express the TRUTH about the churches that have gays.

Get it right or quit trying... Innaccuracy to win a point is another note that one might make against the IFB that I've seen on this board. Are we dealing with truth here or not?

Here is their link...

http://ufmcc.com/

 

It may be harsh, maybe too harsh, but I will try to explain later this week.. I can't today, as I am in Seminary this week working on my M.Div.. and don't have the time to right now...

I think you will understand once I explain...

 

Perhaps you are one of the IFB that I said that I would GLADLY accept because you are not in the same camp as those who are lunatics of the first order. AWESOME. We are not at war. Meanwhile, there are IFB who ARE so far apart from anything that God said in His Word that they are unrecognizable as a true Gospel church. It is THEY that I speak about.

What do you think of James Dobson? Of Spurgeon? Of Calvinism or Arminianism? Accept those or are they of the devil?

I showed some level of proof that was eye-opening for some and a cry to war for others. Yet, the evidence still exists.

 

Why go on like this? You are not playing fair and all can see this but you.
You have listed your church as Sojourn Community Church.
There are Community churches that have gay pastors. That is a fact. Those are the churches that you have associated yourself with. You can deny that if you will, but that is a fact.

In the same way that you have taken a brush and lumped all IFB churches into one camp, we simply show you that we can take all "community" churches and lump them all into one "camp". What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you want to misrepresent the IFB churches by pointing out the faults of just a few of them, then we can misrepresent your church by pointing out the faults of just a few of the "community" churches. Fair is fair. This is what you are doing, and yet you find it unjust when we do the same thing that you are doing to us. You are totally unreasonable. What is with that??

You are responsible for discernment. You are responsible for the research that you do. You are responsible for some of the hateful posts that you have posted here. You are responsible for characterizing all IFB churches just like the few that you have come in contact with, without doing any further homework. That leads us to believe (without doing any further homework) that all community churches have gay pastors. It is unreasonable, but as unreasonable as you are in your conclusions.

And the nature of "community churches" are gay and homosexual. Am I right? You know I am, by your above conclusion. Again you haven't done your homework and have drawn unwarranted conclusions.

 

Guess timytim, earthwindandfire, and a few others of us are soon to be added to the list of people on the IFB hit list... :wavey:

 

Darkness of IFB? Pretty tough. I don't sense that I am in darkness. I truly am experiencing walking in the Light.

 

You can't equate a college with a church.
How many fundamental colleges have you been to?
Have you compared Ambassador to BJU, Maranatha, Northland, etc.,
How different are they?

Colleges demand rules for young people. They are there for a purpose. This is entirely new topic which has already been discussed in the college/seminaries forum. You can find quite a bit of information there.

 

I think what is difficult for me is that those who take a vehement anti-IFB stand don't use a hit list. It is simple:

IFB = Darknesss
Since I am IFB I have been judged as being in darkness.
How is that 'better' or more godly than a 'hit list?'

BTW - I in no way support the 'hit list' in this thread, but I am IFB.

 

First, Sojourn is a BAPTIST church. Their name has the word "community" in it, because we are ministering in and to the community around us.

Second, can you be sure that no IFB churches have gay pastors? How can you tell? What of Ted Haggard? What of Paul Barnes? What of Shane Montgomery? What of George Rekers? What of Steve Wu? What of Jermaine Donnell Jakes? What of Brad Braxton? What of Paul Sheppard?

All these men, and others, have had to step down from their ministries because -- after preaching against homosexual practice -- were found to be practicing gay behavior in fact. Many, if not most of the men above were married, so that is no defense.

As for "the churches I have associated myself with..." you are grasping at straws. We are fully Baptist and Reformed with church discipline for sexual behaviors not in keeping with the Scriptures at that.

I HAVE NOT...

I have stated very clearly that every Baptist church is autonomous and that some IFB churches are just what I describe. That is because THEY ARE.

I am very discerning and I have brought evidence.

So far, I've found the nature of the IFB persons here on the board to be one of attack anyone that points out some flaw in some of the churches that bear their name... If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, toss it aside. And I'll remember this the next time I see a series of posts attacking the SBC on this board... They are OFTEN and rarely is anything said in their defense. I don't recall you stepping up in my defense when I've been in discussions or debates of that nature... Where were you my concerned brother?

 

Where have I attacked anyone who criticizes a flaw in another IFB church? I am one of the IFB persons and I often admit that there are flaws - I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that our IFB church has flaws.

Would it be fair of me to say 'the nature of the SBC persons here on the board is to attack the IFB?'

 

Tinytim's statement was:

Is this not along the lines of a universal negative, a logical fallacy.
For it to be true, he would have had to search the entire IFB movement--all IFB churches, to see whether or not each and every one were a stronghold of darkness. Is there darkness in all IFB churches? This seems to be the meaning of the statement. It is a statement that cannot be proven--a logical fallacy.

It is not like "I praise the Lord that He led me out of the darkness of the religion of the J.W.'s because we know that the doctrine of the J.W.'s is false and satanic--every single one of them.

But to claim that every single IFB church is full of darkness cannot be proven. It is a claim that is totally unsubstantiated, and, in effect, a logical fallacy. Has he checked all IFB churches in America? in the world?

 

Oops, you missed Roy Clements, Mark Dever's mentor at Eden Chapel, Cambridge.

 

The IFB churches who worship in darkness are primarily in the South, though they have attempted to spread to the four corners of the country. The several dozen that I am personally familiar with would all fall under the heading of "religious wacko's". Having said that, I did live in Pennsylvania for three years, and found the Independent Baptist in the area to be a breath of fresh air. I think each person's point or view depends upon the part of the country in which we live.

The IFB's in our area are as blinded & cultish as any unchristian religion you care to name. Anyone's lack experience with these hardened legalists does not negate the fact that they do exist & that they exist in great numbers. Christ & Paul attacked the Pharisees & their false doctrine without apology & without fear; some of us will follow their example & expose the dangers of the Pharisees of our day.