What About The Sabbath?! Many Baptists Do not Keep the Sabbath ..Why???l

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  1. Heavenly Thunderings

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    Why Many Christians Do Not Keep The Sabbath i.e. The Seventh Day Of The Week? Why keep The First Day instead? Does it mean Not keeping the Sabbath A Great Transgression?
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  2. Helen

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    Can you please show me anywhere in the Bible or in any tradition where the creation in Genesis began on a Sunday?

    The way I read the Commandments is that we should work six days and rest one. I do that.

    In addition, the Sabbath commandment is the ONLY one dealt with in the New Testament and Paul specifically states a man should not be judged by the day when he keeps Sabbath. The presumption is that some kind of Sabbath is kept.
     
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    1) In the days of Creation, God created the first six days, notated by the distinction, "morning and evening". God rested on the seventh day and there is no distinction, "morning and evening", connoting that the seventh day did not end, until sin entered in.

    2) Nowhere in Genesis is Sabbath mentioned.

    3) Jesus fulfilled the Law, and He is our Sabbath 24/7.


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    I'm really dumbfounded as to why some people think God designed us to require a day of rest once a week, and then suddenly we don't. I dunno about many of you, but I require a day of rest once a week.

    Since we don't know what day the original Sabbath day would have been (today's seven day week has by no means been consistent in our history), what day we rest is next to unimportant. THAT we rest IS important.

    Jesus is our Sabbath 24/7, yes, that's true. That means that when it comes to worship, we are to worship God 24/7. But we are not to abandon God's command of resting one day in seven. Our bodies simply aren't designed that way. Since our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, we need to keep the temply holy by keeping the Sabbath holy.
     
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    Paul told us not to sweat the small stuff - that it was important in OT picture, but not related to the Church! "Free from the Law, O happy condition!"
    I will not judge you for keeping a holiday or sabbath, or for NOT keeping a holiday or sabbath, and expect you to do the same.
     
  6. Ben W

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    Yet the Early Church kept the Sabbath, Acts 13:42-44.
     
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    Another verse is Romans 14:5

    One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    Seems to me we have a pretty strong "suggestion" here to not get upset over this issue!
     
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    No, Ben. The early church did not keep the Sabbath. The passage in Acts 13 is referring to
    the witness of Paul and Barnabus to the Jews in the synagogues as the entirety of ch. 13 clearly shows. The Jews obviously kept the Sabbath.
    Verse 43 says that when the congregation was dismissed, "many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism" followed Paul and Barnabas.

    Jews. Not Christians.

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  9. Ben W

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    The Gentiles begged them that this might be spoken to them the next Sabbath, Why not the Lords Day? Simply because the Lords Day and the Sabbath are two differenth things.

    Is the Sabbath meant to continue after the Ressurection of Christ? Yes according to the Prophetic voice of Jesus Christ. Matthew 24:20 "Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

    Challenge.

    Accepting that the Jews kept the Sabbath on Saturday, show one bible verse that states the Sabbath is changed to Sunday.
     
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    Ben,

    The Sabbath wasn't changed to Sunday, the Lord's Day is not the sabbath. The Sabbath was a shadow of things to come, the sabbath is now observed in Christ, not in a day of the week. We don't worship on Sunday to observe the Sabbath, but to merely worship.

    Romans 14:5 is clear enough, believe it or ignore it, the choice is yours. We are no longer under the law.

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    The 7th day (earthly) Sabbath has been superceded by the heavenly Sabbath or rest...

    If you can read Greek look at Hebrews 4:9 the word for rest is sabbatismos

    KJV Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    NIV Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

    Matthew 11: 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
    29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

    Hebrews 4:
    10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
    11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

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    The sabbath is more complex and controversial than most people realize. I spent 1 and 1/2 years studying the issue.Some of my gleanings are available at our website as well as a FAQ page and my personal testimony on the issue. I pray that those who are more interested in discovering Truth than arguing will be compelled to examine the issue. Hopefully some of the info on our site will be beneficial.
    the site address is www.rezconnection.org
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    How many actually have studied this out? or do you just go by what someone has told you?
     
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    Ben--
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    Accepting that the Jews kept the Sabbath on Saturday, show one bible verse that states the Sabbath is changed to Sunday.
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    It hasn't been changed to Sunday. It has been fulfilled and abolished along with the rest of the Law, which you do not keep either.

    You do not stone to death those who work on the Sabbath. You probably cook on the Sabbath and travel more than 2/3 of a mile on the Sabbath so all you Sabbath keepers here need to do a study on the requirements God gave for keeping it.
    If you want to do it, do it exactly as God said to do it.

    Walls, I have done a personal study on the Sabbath and have convinced the legalists in my church that Gentiles are not and never were under the Law.
    Any mention Jesus made of the Sabbath was while the Law was still in effect for the Jews.
    Jesus spoke of the Sabbath flight in the end times in regard to practicing Jews fleeing from Jerusalem.
    Gentiles can travel, as always, wherever they wish on Saturday or Sunday.

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    Pastor Chet, cool website, lots of great resources.

    Jesus said pray that it will not be on the Sabbath. This is to the church, including the Gentiles who were grafted into the church. The church is one.

    Its strange that Christians can say well this New Testament verse does not apply etc. It is all the word of God. The entire New Testament is relavent today.

    I think the reason so many oppose sabbath keepers is that they are so keen to oppose the Seventh Day Adventist Church, they oppose everything they teach with blinkers on.

    Sabbath keepers are one of the most misunderstood parts of the body.
     
  16. HankD

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    Matthew 18
    8 ...if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee...
    9 ...if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee...
     
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    This is the problem with a lot of Christians. They want to do away with moral laws so they can live any way they want to thinking they can make it to Heaven based on false security. What a surprise a lot of people are going to have when they die and find out that what they thought was eternal security was false security.
     
  18. Helen

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    If I am free from the law in terms of not needing to keep it, then I am also free to murder, commit adultery, worship idols, etc. After all, we are free from the law....

    We are not JUDGED by the law. The difference in a Christian vs. a non-Christian is that the Christian WANTS to please God whereas the heart of the unbeliever always tends toward evil (Gen. 8:21).

    Since I know it pleases God that I worship Him alone and not idols, since I know it pleases God that I am faithful to my husband, respectful of my parents, do not murder or steal or lie, and am fully satisfied with the provisions He has given me, I think I will also assume that it pleases Him that I rest one day a week.

    I fully agree with Johnv here. My body needs the rest God has designed into our timekeeping by inventing the week. My soul and spirit delight in the Lord, but I remain in the body right now, and my body must come under my control and care to a basic extent. That includes giving it a day of kicking back once a week.

    For me, it's Thursday. Strange? I have a retarded son home all weekend from school. He requires constant attention and care. There is no rest for me there. But by Thursday my week's work is basically done, the weekend is yet to come, and Thursday is soup night. And so I sleep a lot, read a lot, talk to God a lot. And by Fridays I'm fit and ready to take on what the weekend is about to deliver!

    Being free from the law does not mean we are free to disobey it at will. That does not please God. His Law has not changed. Before the bit about "then why are you wearing clothes made of mixed materials?", etc., please keep in mind that God made a total distinction between the law regarding capital punishment and the Ten Commandments as being different from the law given to theocratic Israel. If you missed that distinction, please read Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy again.

    And yes, Christ is our Sabbath -- in the same way the Tabernacle was an earthly representation of the real Temple in heaven. That did not negate the need for the Tabernacle. Christ being our rest from trying to save ourselves and live up to some mark is a spiritual reality. The physical representation is the Sabbath rest itself. Don't abandon the physical because you have recognized the spiritual reality! We still have to live on this earth in these bodies and we still obey the other nine commandments, do we not?

    It's the day of the week that Paul said was not to be worried about, not the fact of one day off in seven.
     
  19. HankD

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    I have studied this out and I agree that there is misunderstanding by everyone.
    Sabbath keepers also misunderstand those of us who do not "keep" the Sabbath in the manner of Adventist Sabbath keepers.

    My point of view:

    Granted, Adventists point out that the Seventh day is mentioned in Genesis before the Law was given.

    However, the issue is not the Sabbath day (Seventh day) in and of itself but Sabbath KEEPING. Sabbath KEEPING detail is established in the Law, the Torah.
    This is the essence of our issue (or mine anyway) with Sabbath Keeping.
    We would not know what the details of Sabbath KEEPING are apart from The LAW.
    To not work on the Sabbath is only one detail of Sabbath Keeping.
    The Law says of itself that we must KEEP ALL of its details. If you do one of the details found in the Law, then you must perform them ALL.

    Deuteronomy 25:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

    Reconfirmed in the New Testament:

    Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

    As I said before, abstaining from work is only one detail of Sabbath keeping.

    Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

    There are others: Here is one other following directly after the prohibition of work.

    3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

    1197 kindle : ba`ar {baw-ar'}
    • 1) to burn, consume, kindle, be kindled 1a)

    In the 21st century to turn on a light or start a car "kindles" a fire. In fact modern Sabbath keepers technically should shut down their electricity before the Sabbath walk to their place of assembling. Then walk home and turn the electricity back on after the Sabbath it is over in order to keep the Law and avoid "burning" energy and accumulating a debt on their electric meter as well as abstaining from work on the seventh day.
    There are other details but this should suffice.

    It's all or nothing (death) self contained in the Law concerning Sabbath keeping.
    My advice :Do it! LABOR to do it ALL even the least of the commandments lest you die.

    But if you can't, there is indeed a Sabbath Keeping that remains that can be entered into.

    Hebrews 4
    9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Literally:Sabbath-keeping) to the people of God.
    10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
    11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

    Matthew 11
    28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
    29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


    HankD
     
  20. Walls

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    In US history, they used to observe an holy day on Sunday and called it the Sabbath. No work was to be done. Everyone just rested, even the children weren't allowed to play. When the country started changing it's outlook on godly things, business started being open on Sunday. Some states observed the Blue Law, in which retail business had to be closed. The only thing that was open was emergency services. If you needed gas or groceries, you had to get it on Saturday. This was in effect in some states in the '70s. I don't know of any state that adheres to this now.

    Today, there is seldom anything holy. We think we can go to church and live like the devil the rest of the time. We need to get back to holy living and keeping what God has deemed holy-HOLY!
     

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