What about these professions of salvation?

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  1. Abiyah

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    My grandparents had received little information with regard to our Lord, salvation, etc., in their lifetimes.

    As far as I know, grandparent set C had no concept of religion at all until my parents began telling them about the church they attended, which those who know me here understand that I say was a cult. Grandparents C did not accept my parent's religion as legitimate.

    Set P had been members of the Baptist church as children but had neglected all religion as adults, not rearing their children in church; the children attended church on extremely rare occasion, as I understand it, when someone invited them. These Grandparents P were reintroduced to religion by my parents who began telling them about the church they attended.

    Grandparents C never made claim of any personal religion, strongly shunning it. I was told years later, however, that they had specifically stated that they knew the Lord and trusted Him, although neither were very knowledgeable nor extremely verbal about it. As far as I know, they did not even know enough to be baptized. Grandfather died @ 4 years later at @ age 96, and Grandmother @ nine years later at age 99. They never attended any church that I know of.

    Of Grandparents P, I only know of Grandmother P making any claims of salvation; she died @ 6 years later (@ age 52). All she really knew was what Mother had told her, which was, in my opinion, likely misinformation. Still, she was known to have a strong profession of faith. Grandfather P, a quiet and deeply thoughtful man, lived a good and quiet life, passing away at @ age 62. If he made any claim of salvation, I do not know about it. They never attended any church that I know of.

    I feel free to ask your opinions of these, because our God is their Judge, and their eternal situation has already been determined; no one's opinion will change this. Please do not think that you will hurt my feelings by any honest answers. :) However, I am still working my way out of certain cultish ideas from my old church, and I am wondering what your opinions are regarding the above persons.

    What would you think of these professions of salvation, if they came to your ears regarding complete strangers?
     
  2. Paul of Eugene

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    I would say that we don't have enough information to decide.

    You can trust God to love them and want them to be saved.
     
  3. Karen

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    I would say that no matter what their eternal destiny, it was no accident. Each got the true, deepest desire of his/her heart.
    God knows each one individually.
    I would pray that they are in Heaven, having truly responded to God before they died.

    Karen
     
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    Here's an excerpt from a message preached by Dr. Dolphus Price, Franklin Road Baptist Church, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, on March 15, 1972.

    HELL...A Place For The Lost
    (Luke 16:19-31)

    The other day up in Pekin Illinois, a little fourteen year old girl came up to me and said, "Preacher, I want you to pray for mommy and daddy."

    I said, "I will. What are their names?"

    She told me and I wrote them down on a card. I said, "Where do they live?"

    She said, "Preacher, they are not living. Mommy and daddy were killed three weeks ago in a car wreck. And, Brother Price, they weren't saved. Will you pray for my mommy and daddy?"

    What was I going to tell her? I don't know what you would have done, but I said, "Sweetheart, it's too late. No amount of prayer will help mommy and daddy now. You will just have to ask God to help you get over it, and He will. But I hope you will never get over the thought that people are lost, Honey."

    Too late! I could have prayed until I stained the walls with my breath, but that wouldn't have helped. I could have prayed until I had a heart attack, but that wouldn't have helped. We could have burned every candle and said every rosary, but that wouldn't have helped. Too late! Too late!

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  5. Jim1999

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    Not all that cry Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of God, and there is but one way to heaven, through the shed blood of Jesus the Christ. I believe that preacher in Tennessee was quite correct.

    The awful truth of one's destiny ought to burn upon our hearts that not a soul who passes our way should be ignorant of the truth of the gospel.

    We may be mistaken on some doctrines, or even some bents of doctrine, but let there be no mistake the fact that Jesus IS the way, the truth, and the life and no man comes unto the Father but by Me.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Amen, Jim!

    Salvation is by grace and faith ALONE. When we say salvation is through the grace of Jesus Christ, we mean the unmerited, free grace of Christ whereby a man is eternally and completely and once-for-all saved from sin when he puts his faith in Christ.

    Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Now we are free--there's no condemnation,
    Jesus provides a perfect salvation;
    "Come unto Me," O hear His sweet call,
    Come and He saves us once for all.

    Once for all, O sinner receive it,
    Once for all, O brother believe it;
    Cling to the Cross, the burden will fall,
    Christ hath redeemed us once for all.
     
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    For by grace you have been saved through faith..... Ephesians 2:8a, RSV

    In Christ,
    Neal
     
  8. Karen

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    Respectfully, I am very sorry he said that. To a 14-year-old girl in the extreme stages of grief over such a staggering loss, I would have said that I would pray. *****And that I would pray that they did come to know Jesus before they died.***** I certainly would not give her false hopes or tell her untruth. But I would pray confidently knowing that God, Who created space and time, heard those prayers in eternity. In what sense would they be too "late"? It does not mean that the answer would be yes, of course. But some things are unknowable by us, instead of just a bleak, "It's too late", although well-intentioned.

    I'll say it again, [​IMG] that 14-year-old girl needed a big hug and an assurance of prayer. And the statement that God cared about her and her parents. And regret for her parents dying.
    Sometimes, in our efforts to explain God, we have to listen for the real questions people are asking. What she very possibly was asking under all of it was, "Does God care?" It would be a natural question for a young child who knows that God is all-powerful and yet He let this happen. I pray now that there was some real pastoral follow-up with her.

    Karen
     
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    How is that a description of a "strong profession of faith"?

    What am I missing? You say she stopped going to church once she left home and did not raise her children to be Christians.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Karen, I think what the Pastor meant was that it is too late to change any person's eternal state after they pass from this life. We can hope they were saved, but it would do no good to pray for their salvation after they have died. If the Pastor told the girl there was still hope for her parents after she has plainly said they were not saved would've cause confusion in the girl's mind. Who knows, maybe the girl has grown up to be a missionary and a soul-winner on fire for the Lord, knowing the horrors of letting a person slip into eternity without knowing the Savior. The state they are in after death is either eternal happiness and bliss in Heaven or eternal torment and pain in Hell, there's nothing that can change that.

    Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
     
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    How is that a description of a "strong profession of faith"?

    What am I missing? You say she stopped going to church once she left home and did not raise her children to be Christians.

    In Christ,

    Bob
    </font>[/QUOTE]Hi, Bob.

    Her "strong profession of faith" did not occur until later in her life. You'll note that I wrote that she died @ 6 years after that profession of faith.
     
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    I appreciate EVERY answer, as I have remembered my grandparents. I never knew Grandmother P and only met Grandfather P twice. Grandfather P was such a sweetie; I cannot see a package of those orange marshmallow peanuts without thinking of him. :)

    I am thankful that I got to spend quite a bit of time with Grandfather and Grandmother C over the years. Wonderful people, and Grandfather was a very knowledgeable man with a voice that absolutely thrilled me, as I would just sit and listen to him talk. Funny: I cannot see a package of Lifesavers without thinking of him! I also loved going into his wonderful tidy garage with the boxes of pears and walnuts which mixed their fragrances with that of his well-ordered tools, freshly oiled. That old mint green round-fendered car he never drove was a wonder, but mainly it was that deep southern drawl that seem to eminate from some cavern deep in his chest. How I loved him!

    But what a provision our Lord has, for those who truly know Him, that no believer is ever completely lost from our lives, even in death! I think I am mainly just grateful for that tonight.
     

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