What alcohlic beverages do you drink?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Matthew 16:24, Apr 27, 2003.

  1. Matthew 16:24

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    Just wondering, thanks.

    Edit: the poll was supposed to let you choose more than one answer.
    Maybe an admin can fix it?
    If not, you can choose one and add the other drinks in your reply if you wish.
    Sorry about that [​IMG]

    [ April 27, 2003, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: Matthew 16:24 ]
     
  2. I Am Blessed 24

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    I don't need any 'spirits' to get me high. I get high on the Holy Spirit!

    Blessings,
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  3. Harald

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    The Bible does nowhere speak about people "getting high" on the Holy Spirit. Such does not belong to the works of the Spirit of Christ.

    As for me I chose not to answer the poll because I use alcohol so very seldom. I have a glass of white wine or red wine with food about 3 or 4 times a year, usually when my brother and his fiance come up to visit and we have some special dinner occasion. But if mead is counted in among alcoholic beverages then I must mention it. Mom usually makes mead in the spring and in summer. Among the ingredients are lemons (or rhubarb), sugar, syrup, and yeast. It is very refreshing, especially when it gets hot in the summer, and due to the fermentation process the alcoholic content is approximately around 5 %, or slightly below. This according to my guess, as we have no gear with which one may measure the alcohol content. Mead is much more healthier than the commercial lemonades with all their sugar and acids, and tastes much better as well.


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  4. fromtheright

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    The poll only allowed one choice. I have a beer or two once a month, wine less often, mixed drinks even less often.
     
  5. Jim1999

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    One drink of an alcoholic beverage would be too many for me. I value my witness for the Lord Jesus too highly.

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  6. dianetavegia

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    I value my witness for Christ Jesus too much to drink any alcohol. Two of our grown children offered champagne at their weddings and we did not partake.

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  7. HankD

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    Nyquil.

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  8. Istherenotacause

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    Aw! Come on now! Do real Christians drink alcohol knowingly and for "sociable" reasons? Before I got saved, I would have laughed and mocked anyone who did to shame, now I will just say it's not a good testimony at all. If the ideal of alcoholism is hereditery, then any Christian partaking in alcohol for any reason other than medicinal, (not Granny's reason on The Beverly Hillbillies), is just playing with "fire" and is going to end up getting burned, or inciting a less informed brother to become addicted as well.

    Take it from some one who has been down alcohol's dead end road, DON"T EVER TAKE THE FIRST DRINK! You won't have to be delivered from alcohol if you don't! Can't be a drunkard if you never take the first sip of satan's brew!

    Oh, well, so much for that. I would vote in the poll, but something is wrong with my log-in, I can post but I can't view, vote, or see the results of any poll.

    In Christ,

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  9. Sherrie

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    I do not drink anything alcoholic.

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  10. Alcott

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    And the power of one drink is on par with the power of Jesus Christ in your life?... or exactly what do you mean?

    You give a lot of credit to that substance, don't you?

    The poll was unanswerable to me, BTW. Although one answer is closer than the others, it was still too far from the real answer to declare it so.
     
  11. Randall S

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    In many areas of the USA unbelievers would have no faith in anything a Christian told them about Jesus if they seen that Christian drink. In those areas to admit to drinking or go out drinking would destroy ones testimony for the Lord. This is so in my area and therefore, if you want to be a witness for Christ you can forget about drinking.

    Having traveled and witnessed throughout the USA I am also aware that in some areas this may not destroy ones witness and that some areas all the local stores sell alcoholic beverages.

    In as much as possible I go so far as to not even enter a business that sells alcoholic beverages. This is still possible in my area and many other areas.

    Randall

    Oh, I obviously voted none. I am content with the life God has given me and I surely don't want to fog it up with alcohol or drugs.
     
  12. Harald

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    Well. I see there seems to be a willingness on the part of some to condemn all use of drink containing alcohol (except perhaps for medical reasons) on the part of such who profess to know Christ. By such blanket condemnation do you also condemn all true churches of Christ down through the centuries who have used alcoholic red wine in the celebration of the Lord's Supper? If you condemn them then you also condemn Christ who instituted the Lord's Supper, because He drank alcoholic red wine with His disciples when commemorating the passover. Was Christ "sipping the devil's brew"? Were Christ and His disciples in error when using alcoholic wine? Were the disciples "ruining their testimony" when they had alcoholic wine (and unleavened bread) in the celebration of the Lord's Supper?


    I challenge you who say alcoholic wine is sinful in and of itself to prove it with New Testament scriptures. I challenge you who allege the use of alcoholic wine per se is sinful to prove it with NT scriptures. I also challenge the same to prove from history that Baptists before let us say 1850 claimed that alcholic wine, and its use, was sinful.


    I claim that true Baptist churches of Christ down through the centuries have used alcoholic wine in the Lord's Supper. Non-alcoholic wine is incapable of typifying the sinless blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is one of the reasons why true Baptist churches all the way from the first one in Jerusalem have used alcoholic wine in celebration of the Lord's Supper. You modern day Baptists seem to condemn such as having been in error, and as having been in rebellion against God, perpetually so. Either they were right in their using of true wine or you who reject alcoholic wine are right. I know which party has Scripture on their side, and it ain't you who claim use of alcoholic wine is sinful. All churches, whether Baptist or not, who use non-alcoholic wine in the communion service are in error, and are disobeying the word of God.
    The Scriptural elements of the Lord's Supper are alcoholic wine and unleavened bread, not wafers like the papists use.


    As for myself I could abstain from wine, whether red or white, if I chose to do so. But I see no imperative from the New Testament scriptures to do so. Wine in and of itself is not sinful, and drinking it e.g. with some flesh food is neither sinful. Normal red or white wine is not unhealthy either. Next time when my family come together at a special dinner occasion I could choose to not drink wine when it is served with food. Perhaps my brother's fiance would ask: "Harald, why don't you drink wine this time, you used to do so before, does the Bible forbid you to?". As an honest person I would answer "No, the Bible does not forbid me." Then she might say "Then what hinders you from having a glass of tasty white wine with us?" Now I ask of some of you total abstainers, what would be a good and Biblical answer according to your judgment?


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  13. UTEOTW

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    I love southern Rhone red wines. Spicy reds with a bit of earthiness if they have enough Mourvedre (sp?) mixed in. Also very cheap for the quality. Vey rarely do I ever actually open a bottle, maybe every 6 weeks. A few weeks ago was the last time I opened a bottle and it was because I had taken the time to fix a nice meal. A glass with dinner that night and a glass with dinner each succeeding night until gone. I think that counts as moderation.
     
  14. HankD

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    Unfortunately, many are blinded by their emotions either way. As Harald has indicated, it works both ways and many Christians are offended by the use of unfermented grape juice for the Lord's Supper. Many of you have no idea how deeply either.

    It is also true that the Scripture is very clear that it is NOT what goes into a man which defiles him and nothing in and of itself is unclean.
    It is the motive of the heart which determines whether the drinking of alcoholic beverages is wrong.

    Besides, anywhere there is a sugar-water mix at above freezing to sub-boiling temperatures there is the fermentation process and alcohol molecules being produced.
    If alcohol is unclean in and of itself, how many alcohol molecules does it take to make a glass of fruit juice unclean? ONE!

    However there is another scriptural principle that of protecting the sensitivity of my brothers/sisters and this is why I personally choose to abstain while a member of my local church here in Washington State.

    IMO and overall, it is best to abstain, but if you can't because of your view concerning the Lord's Supper or even your view of enjoying what the Lord has created (Can anyone prove He hasn't created wine) with thanksgiving then find likeminded brethren to take communion with and try not to cause dissension because of your liberty. Be gentle with your answers. Both sides.

    That is my advise for whatever it is worth.

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  15. Johnv

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    Aw! Come on now! Do real Christians drink alcohol knowingly and for "sociable" reasons?

    You mean like my family members (all of whom are devout Christian of varying faiths) gathering on Easter with the slicing of ham, the breaking of bread, and pouring of wine? Yes, Christians can drink alcohol knowingly and for sociable reasons, and do so in a manner that is non-sinful, and does not cause another to stumble.
     
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    the bible says be ye not drunk with wine, but be ye filled with the holy ghost.

    God Bless America
     
  17. Dr. Bob

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    Noah drank and (unknown to him) crossed a line and lost the ability to rule for God.

    Pastors might also (unknown to me) cross a line and lose my ability to be "above reproach" and "blameless".

    Hence I am a tea-totaler. [​IMG]
     
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    Although I am also a tea-totaler, there are times
    when I am tempted to have wine. I don't because
    of a physical ailment, not because I believe it to
    be sin. However, wine really smels and tastes
    bad to me, in spite of being tempted on
    occasion to have some. I do have a number of
    empty Kadem Sparkling Red Grape Juice around,
    and that is as far as I go. Think I'll throw a bottle
    in the fridge for a treat tomorrow!
     
  19. Randall S

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    Harald – My was not about what the Bible says about alcohol but was only in reference to ones testimony so that is all I will answer to. In the area I live most unbelievers would laugh and mock if you took a drink and claimed to be a Christian. If unbelievers believe it to be a sin and you drink then it makes no difference what the Bible says, you have destroyed your ability to witness to them.

    There are a few places in the USA that you might not destroy your testimony and then maybe Finland as a whole you wouldn’t. But no matter where one is from if he/she comes to this area and takes a drink they can forget about witnessing for Christ, most unbelievers would laugh at them or worse. In an adjacent county, where I attend Church, it is a violation of law to buy, sell, or consume alcoholic beverages.

    If you drink then your testimony is worthless to unbelievers in many areas. When your post on the internet that you are a Christian and drink then unbelievers in many areas consider your views worthless and take a dimmer view of Christianity. Thus, you would become a hindrance to the cause of Christ.

    In summary, a good answer is to abstain so that one would have the ability to witness to unbelievers and that is what we were left here to do.

    Randall
     
  20. Harald

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    Yes, the credibility of one's testimony is certainly a thing to be mindful of. If abstinence is what it takes for some to maintain it I will not debate such.

    Yet, as for me I would not bother to throw pearls before such swine who do not care for what the NT teaches about alcohol and its use or misuse. Such unbelievers are obviously not really interested in the things of God. An unbeliever who may have problems with alcohol and who has been wounded by God the Holy Spirit will be open to what the Bible teaches on alcohol and things related. Such sinners Jesus Christ has come to seek, to save and to call to repentance. When God teaches a person the whole truth then that one will repent also of having false notions concerning alcohol. He will no longer maintain alcohol or fermented wine is sinful in and of itself. He will know that the heart is the root of all evil.

    In addition I will point out an inconsistency I have noticed in certain professors of Christianity. Some may be very conscientious to abstain from alcohol in order to maintain a credible testimony in front of unbelievers, yet the same ruin their credibility as witnesses for the Lord Jesus before the household of faith and before God by maintaining heretical notions such as that Jesus Christ was peccable, i.e. that He was capable of sinning, that He could have sinned. The same are however quick to state "but he didn't". The efficiency of such with reference to being witnesses for Christ is nil, no matter how pious they may seem to unbelievers due to their total abstinence, because the gospel they hold to is a false gospel which allows for a peccable Jesus.


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