What are some of the essential doctrines of the christian faith?

No, that was not your question, but it is your thread and you can redefine it if you like. I was responding to the question posed by EG.

 

Ummm........that the Trinity of Father,Son and Holy Ghost are God.

 

You just admit that Catholics are Christian and in the same sentence proclaim their not saved. How can one be a Christian Bob and not be saved?

In any event, who left you the authority to decide correct doctrinal teaching in regard to salvation and then to proclaim who’s saved and who’s not saved based on YOUR infallibility?

Bob, Bob, Bob…now that’s a funny statement coming from a SDA who’s involved in his very own cult…
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Agnus_Dei, I'm not getting into this debate, but you seem to have made a slight reading error in replying to Bob. What he said was, "My point is NOT that Catholic Christians are not saved." That is, he seems to be allowing (at least hypothetically) for the salvation of Catholic Christians.

Michael

 

Sorry that I mis-read your post Bob. Yes, eventhough I was taught as a former fundamental Baptist that SDA's were cultic and not Christian, I believe that our Baptism connects us and that you as well are saved...although you'll have to spend a little more time in purgatory...
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You have yet to provide a quote of me saying Catholics are not saved.

That is a key point to your statement above - you might want to show that I actually said it first.

Acts 17:11 provides the basis for the sola-scriptura test of doctrine where even the doctrine of the APOSTLE Paul is TESTED "To SEE IF those things are SO".

I would have to first BE catholic to use that method.

As my post shows - I am not.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Actually - since non-Catholic Christians (just those guilty of venial sins but not mortal sins) never go to confession and never get absolution for venial sins - they (we) are condemned to spend the maximum time in purgatory possible for someone who lived their same life of sin and failure. Further as the late Fr Ken Ryan of Catholic Digest pointed out - non-Catholics though having the possibility of being saved -- are NOT saved under the New Covenant. Rather some non-Bible means is imagined by the RCC as a possible path for allowing non-Catholic Christians into Purgatory and hence in to heaven.

I know of no Catholic that holds to these beliefs out of spite for non-Catholics or out of any ill-will at all toward non-Catholics. I am simply observing the details contained in the points of that teaching.

But this raises a question - if one is guilty only of venial sins and we must pay for all of them in purgatory - what exactly is the blood of Christ paying for??

In Christ,

Bob

 

Christ's blood was shed to make possible the redemption of mankind; from the cross Christ accomplished our salvation. BUT…that doesn’t settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy.

Per Romans 5:3-5, sanctification involves suffering and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us will need to undergo before we enter heaven, for nothing unclean shall enter heaven (Revelation 21:27).

Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that He accomplished for us by His death on the cross.
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What about the Robber at the Cross? Did he went thru Purgatory before he went to the Paradise? Wasn't he clean already to enter Paradise?

What can purify you?

Whar can purify the people in the Purgatory?

 

There is no mention of purgatory in Romans 5 and there is no mention of "Christ applying his redemption to us through our suffering" nor even "Christ paying for our sins through our suffering".

Imagine for a moment there was such a text as "through your suffeirng Christ is able to apply the payment he made for you on the cross - to your soul".

Wouldn't that fill at least one of the gaps for the RCC's doctrine on purgatory?

 

The cardinal doctrines of Christianity, as I see it:

1) Jesus Christ is Lord.

2) Salvation is through the Savior Jesus Christ.

All other matters of being a good follower of Christ = Christian hinge from that.

 

If the PEOPLE you are citing genuinely believe the two cardinal doctrines I listed, then yes.

One is not made a Christian or unmade a Christian by where s/he is on Sundays. No building or group of buildings made of created materials or group of created persons has that power: Romans 8:38-9.

Of course, I suspect that you do not like that.

 

AAA

Hi AAA,

Paul gives us the most essential doctrine.
"Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"(emphasis mine)-1 Corinthians 15:1-4 NIV

See you guys/gals in the morning!:sleeping_2:

 

Agreed - anyone that would could be called a Christian -

But that includes a very "wide" variety of groups.

 

OK, let's break this down:

Who and what is Jesus? What does it mean for him to be 'Lord'?

Salvation from what? How is he saviour?

 

And this is where essentials begin to get muddled.