What are the Words of Jesus?

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I believe in the Diety of Christ. Therefore, I believe that all of Scripture, not just the words in red, are the words and teachings of Christ. What say you?

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    I agree. I dont like red-letter editions, other than they help me if I am scanning for a direct quote.
     
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    I believe in the plenary verbal inspiration of the Bible. However, that does not mean that all the words in Scripture are the words of, or spoken by, God; rather that He caused to be recorded what He wished to be recorded. Recall that in Genesis 3 some of the words recorded are the words of Satan.
     
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    ==I don't like "red-letter" Bibles.

    In Christ,
    Martin.
     
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    No, I disagree, Joseph, because of Ecclesiastes if nothing else. That is Solomon writing from the point of view of man and Christ would NEVER say that everything is meaningless!

    However, the fact that God allowed that to be included in Scripture appears to be for the purpose of comparing man's-eye-view with God's-eye-view so that the difference is clear-cut and there for all to see.

    In addition, the books of history are simply the works of the scribes of those times. They are true histories, and inasmuch as the truth is Christ, I suppose you could argue that they are Christ's words, but I don't think that is what you are talking about.
     
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    Ok...so you don't believe in the inspiration of all Scripture. Your denial of the inerrancy of Scripture is duly noted.

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    Don't put words in my mouth, Joseph, please.

    All of Scripture is inspired and the original mss are inerrant, but that means that they don't have mistakes. The fact that Solomon was inspired to put down his path to wisdom or his discoveries in that wisdom does not mean that Christ Himself uttered or wrote the words (or would have) "Meaningless! Meaningless!...Everything is meaningless!"

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    "And so I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me."

    For we read that Christ Himself said, "My father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." (John 5:17)

    To be inspired to write something does not always mean those are God's words. It could be that it is part of God's lesson to men, however, and that is also important.

    So please do not presume a meaning I did not intend.
     
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    I agree, Joseph.

    All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. Yes, they are all the doctrine or teaching of Christ.

    In the OT, God spoke at sundry times in diverse manners. Ecclesiastes is one of those diverse manners. Simply because we can point to Moses or Solomon or any other human agent, the teachings are still Christ's.

    And He would say that "all is vanity." Therefore, fear God and keep His commandments (12:13). Sounds an awful like, Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, doesn't it?
     
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    Nope.
    They serve to tell about Christ, it's all there for a purpose, but how is it that the words of Christ include cursing the Father? This sounds like someone else's mistake earlier, where they said that David being conceived in sin means we're all conceived in sin.
    Now, would Christ say that? No, because he wasn't conceived in sin.
    How can those be his words?

    The words God wanted people to record? Yes.
    The very words of God? No, that makes no sense. Saying they are seems tantamount to worshipping the Bible as God, if the words are his very own, which are pure and perfect. God's words are a part of God. That means that no translational or scribal errors can exist because God is perfect, including his words. And they do.
     
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    The entire Bible can be considered the words of Jesus in that everything in it points to Him in some way. And since Scripture is "God-breathed," it all comes from Him, too. It's true that not every sentiment expressed in the Bible is a godly one, but all of it is used to further God's purposes, even the complaints of Solomon mentioned above or the theologically incorrect advice of Job's friends.
     
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    Now, now Gina we all know that Jesus father (GOD) wasn't a sinner but his mother was. He wasn't a sinner EVER but everyone other than him is. I was not wrong in anything i said. The passage in psalms 51:5 isn't taking about Davids mother having an affair as someone would have you believe it is talking about. It is saying everyone who is born, is born a sinner except Christ of course. The whole CHAPTER is talking about us being born in SIN. need to read the whole chapter.

    this is for you Gina, THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORDS

    2 Peter 1:20-21

    Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
     
  12. Gina B

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    I know you are but what am I?

    LOL

    Ya know, if you're always right, there's no point in us talking.

    Happy posting, and have a good evening. [​IMG]
     
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    Gina,

    Does that mean you're gonna stop posting? :D [​IMG]

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    God's word is right Gina. can't agrue with God's word, he said he wrote the bible and it is all God's words to be used for us even today. so agrue with him. looks like you were wrong again
     
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    Of course! Just like the last five times I quit posting. [​IMG]
     
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    You were right then, you're right now, and you will always be right, ok?
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    Only you, Gina....now, get back to that housecleaning! :D
     
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    Yes ma'am, on my way to clean out the fridge, as commanded! :D
     
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    2 Timothy, chapter 3

    12": Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

    "13": But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    "14": But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

    "15": And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    "16": All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    "17": That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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    Amen, Joseph! Amen, Brother!!

    Its interesting that the Bible talks about itself

    The Bible says that "Scripture spoke unto Pharoah"

    And the Bible says also that "Scripture preached the gospel unto Abraham"

    From Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 is "God talking!!"

    The black letters are just as much the very words of Jesus as the red ones are!!

    So, Amen, JoeBot!!!
     

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