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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by 4-christ, Apr 12, 2004.
what botheres me is there trying to take under God out of the pledge.
Why does it bother you that people who live like there is no God won't say his name in a pledge that they don't recite anyway?
Just a minor irritant, but it bothers me
when people start a topic and then
abandon it. Here is such a topic:
Abandoned topic hot spot - Click Here
Obese preachers. If they can't control fleshly desires, they shouldn't stand before a congregation and tell them how they should live.
Deacons who can't make it through the whole service without stepping outside to smoke a cigarette.
What botheres me?
Basic English spelling errors
Our men getting killed in Iraq.
the self-righteous who want to impose their idea of the "good Christian" on the rest of us
Those who think education justifies calling, and that one can't be a fruitful minister without a seminary degree
Myself because I am like Paul, in that it seams I can't do anything right
Myself, because I forget that I am saved by Grace, not of works
Those who bash modern praise music; it doesn't make sense why they would do that
I'll think of some more later
Our pastor refused to baptise someone until he gave up smoking. He should now be baptised in May.
People who think a title i.e. Rev. or Dr etc makes them superior.
EXACTLY - the pastor at the church we just left demanded people call him Dr. Routt. Give me a break.
Acts 8: 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Now let's re-write it the way this pastor interprets it:
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, and givest up smoking, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and will givest up smoking so that I may be baptized.
Oops ...I got it wrong...as I frequently do...
I am advised by my dear husband Rob that refusal is not quite right. The giving up smoking requirement was more of an encouragement to quit rather than a condition for baptism. I am sorry I mislead you, it was not intentional,as what the person concerned told me is different to what the pastor told him, which to the person concerned was seen as a refusal until such time he had given up smoking. Anyway, he has given up and he will now be baptised. Phew. I hope I got it right this time.
I quite agree with the pastor. Believing in Christ entails more than a brain knowledge that Christ exists. It includes a life changed by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and if one does not demonstrate this change, he is not a candidate for baptism. Baptism is a testimony. It is a physical witness to that changed life.
For these reasons, I never baptized anyone before at least 3 months of demonstrating that changed life before the church.
Call me what you will. It doesn't matter. I answer to God alone, and if I had ministry to do all over, I would not alter those ways.
That sounds righteous and all... but the Bible sets it straight by its example and practice, not by mens tradition. It is undeniable that believers were baptized upon profession, not after 3 months of demonstrating a changed life.
Start attending your local school board meetings and advocate the teaching of proper spelling skills rather than wholistic words. If you understood the word, it isn't misspelled, at least that is the way they do it nowadays.
Jim1999, it appears you killed this thread.
BTW, where does scripture say thou shalt not smoke?
I beieve that this was the intention of our pastor with this particular individual, who I might add has had a very limited education and whose reading ability is very limited...but improving. That is not to say that giving up smoking alone is proof of a changed lifestyle but with this particular individual it is one of the ways of demonstrating that by being guided by the power of the Holy Spirit it was something he could achieve where he had failed before.
I hope this clarifies matters
You're dead wrong, Jim. Acts says nothing about a period of obedience and righteousness before being baptized. Sounds like you are adding to scripture. Why do we make the Bible so difficult to follow? It most cases, it's black and white. This is one of those cases. Why can't we just trust God and follow His scripture, in spite of what our human intellect might tell us to do? It's rediculous.
I don't see in Jim's posts that he is claiming in Acts or anywhere else that a period of proof of a changed lifestyle is required in the Bible. However, 2 Corinthians 5:17 says
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!"
Therefore it would seem to me that a period of time is helpful for a new convert to grow and develop, with the loving support of the church, before baptism. Not everyone has the priviledge of such a dramatic conversion experience as Paul, for example.
Even a cursory reading of Acts would leave one with the understanding that there was no such waiting period upon profession of faith. Jim's 3 month waiting period is unbiblical. God has set the method in His Word, but it seems Jim has found "a better way" to handle it, and if given the opportunity to do it all over again, he would still do it his way.
In answer to the original question of "What Bothers You," for me, this would be a perfect example.
Again, followinghim, our human intellect would dictate just that. Even in my commen sense thinking, it would make sense to require a waiting period to see if the conversion really happened.
BUT, the Bible has NO such standard or directive. Therefor, for us to require it, is no different than the Catholics requiring infant baptism. Just like them, requiring a waiting period for Baptism is absolutely adding to God's word.
Do you understand the intellect vs. faith thing? It doesn't always make sense, God's ways, but they are His ways, and we have no right whatsoever to add or take away from them. =)