What botheres you!!!!!!!!

Where has liberty of conscience gone? There are numerous Baptist groups who don't necessarily require a 'waiting' period, but who do follow a process of teaching in order the candidate understands what is expected of them as a church member and what they can expect from the church.

this doesn't mean that I am in full agreement with this, but at the same time, I don't think Jim has set 'his' own course in this.

I think, imho, that this is viewed as needful in our modern society is a result in differences of what is Biblical truth concerning eternal life.

The immediate immersions of Acts is seen to be administered upon folks who perhaps did have experiences similar to that of Paul. The methods are not in the period of time prior to baptism, but imho, the method of gaining conversions.

If we follow the Biblical example, we will present the Gospel to our hearers, who ever they are, and we will be content to let the Holy Spirit to deal or not to deal with them in accordance to the purpose of God. IMHO, we have made the church's 'commission' of 'getting folks saved' it is the commission of the church to preach the gospel and to baptize they who believe, then it is this group who are discipled. Sometimes it seems the method is reversed, that is, we attempt to disciple them, baptize them and then see them 'saved.'

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

 

In the second half of the 3rd century
(251-300) the Christian saints in
what is now Turkey (then Asia Minor)
were said to have mentored new
converts for TWO YEARS before baptism.
When the 10th persecution occured
about 312-315, there were many who
died the blessed martyr's death as
THEIR FIRST WORK OF FAITH.

In most of the second century (101-200)
in Egypt the Christian saints
were said to have mentored new
converts for TWO YEARS before baptism.

 

Colorado_cop: "Those who bash modern praise music ... "

Colossians 3:16 (KJV1769):

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Yep, those modern praise music are the
"spiritual songs". In your total music though,
please don't forget Psalms (songs praising God)
and Hymns (songs about God).

 

Mr. Ed, right on. I do not have a problem with Hymns or Psalms, they just don't do it for me. Whenever I am in a contemporary service, I am much more focused on the Lord through the music than I am in a traditional service. It's just me.

I only made the statement because there are some on this site who are of the opinion, and have expressed it, that modern praise and worship music is of Satan because it is too much like modern secular music, and we are to be different from the world. Of course, those people would be wrong, as was the individual who authored the subject of this thread.

 

Frogman,

No where in scripture does it say not to smoke, but, we are to treat our bodies as God treats His. He owns our bodies, it is His and we just borrow them, we are not to abuse them as in smoking, alcohol, drugs, overeating, undereating etc...

For the person who doesn't like simple words misspelled, that's pretty picky if you ask me. I myself misspell "The" all the time. Only when I am typing, for some reason I keep spelling it "teh." It haunts me, but everyone makes mistakes.

And then there are also people with problems that maybe can not spell simple words. I myself was in a car accident that they said would leave me not remembering anything. Luckily I got maybe 45% back. I was an avid reader and speller in school, but now I have a very hard time spelling simple words.
So we are all not perfect.

My pet peeve is: Hmmm, how long can I make this!
Ok,OK, I guess if I had to pick one on the spot it would be the smell of others people smoke.
PLAUGH!

 

So, really moderation is a key, right? If not, who is to say that I am a glutton? I have fast metabolism and cannot gain weight very easily; but I can eat quite a bit for my 5'6" height. Still, I remain between 135-140 pounds year round.

I am sorry to hear about your car accident; you are right, no one is perfect. Regarding our bodies being owned by God, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but is this body not dieing?

Well, anyway, I still think wholistic methods of teaching spelling skills are wrong. But teachers, at least around here do tell students that the spelling is not important as long as the word is recognizable.

Thanks for your post.
God Bless
Bro. Dallas

It just amazes me that C.H. Spurgeon smoked and alot of folks call him the prince of preachers. I agree with you that smoking is bad, and I am a smoker. Pray the Lord will convict me because of it and I would be able to quit just like the brother expecting baptism. But don't condemn me because of it, I believe it is what comes from out of the mouth that defiles a man, that comes from his heart.

So, if the smoking doesn't control me, (I don't sneak out during services, when I am at school or church I don't have cravings, when I have to, I can do with out them, so who knows? Maybe it is merely psychological and I continue just because I can.

But, I agree with you about the smell.

 

A cursory reading of the Book of Acts (as well as the rest of the NT) would indicate that the early church was undergoing an intense persecution by the early Roman emperors, as well as by the Jews themselves. What did it mean to become a Christian. It meant to forsake your home, your heritage, your inheritance. It meant to be persecuted, and in many cases be put to death--many faced the lions in the Coliseum, were burned alive at the stake, and suffered other horrible persecutions. The first epistle to Peter was written as an epistle of hope to suffering Christians during the bloody persecution of Nero.

In our western nations today it is so easy to "believe." Easy believism is more like a curse or a blight on Christianity. Persecution separates the wheat from the chaff.

In many Muslim nations, the situation is comparable to the time of Christ. Most are third world nations and the culture hasn't changed much. For a Muslim to convert to Christianity (in a Muslim nation), they will automatically bring persecution on them--such persecution that their own family will try to kill them, simply because they have disgraced the family name. They have to go into hiding, leave all family, belongings alone, and quickly flee. The minute they are baptized they know what they are doing. There is no easy believism. Either your a Christian or you are not. When a person gets saved in a Muslim nation they get baptized right away. Believe me, there is no need to wait for any "testimony." They have already sealed their fate. So it was in the book of Acts.

It is a bit different here in North America. I agree with Jim, that it might be good to wait at least some period of time before baptizing a believer. A new believer nowadays in our culture of easy believism, gospel-permeated, media-swamped, era with hits like "Passion of Christ," and phenomena like speaking in tongues and strange Third Wave phenomena--yes I think we ought to wait and see in our confused humanistic, New Age era whether a new believer understands the gospel correctly. After all, he is living here in the information age, not in a third world nation where it is either: believe in Allah, or die if you choose to believe in Christ.
Where would you rather live, and under what conditions?
DHK

 

What bothers me is when people don't pay attention when you are talking. What was that Bro. Dallas

Just kidding!!

 

I wonder how many new Christians today feel led to be baptised as soon as they come to faith in Christ? Would they really understand what it is all about? What it means ? I certainly didn't when I became a Christian.

Blessings

Sheila

 

Originally posted by DHK

Amen, that is what I tried to say in my earlier post, but you said it better.

Bro. Dallas

 

You can make it as long
as you wish, Sister LauraB. Of course, i'm sure
you already found out that nobody reads very
far

I smoked most of the years from 19 to 59.
I quit ten months ago come next monday.
About the 9th month my smell seemed to
come back working overtime I now know
all the smokers at church and in the
community (i knew the smokers at work,
i used to smoke with them). The biggest
dissapointment is the doctor who encouraged
me to quit smoking and gave me the
meds to help me quit smoking -- he
is a smoker. Now i remember he used to ask
me "you are a non-smoker, yes?" NO, I
was a smoker. Goodness, he is a heart
and lung doctor -- and smokes

 

If your pet pieve is people who write about
their dieting, skip the rest of this post.

So there i was a 165 pound smoker.
Ten months later i'm a 203 pound non-smoker.
My daughter is supposed to have a baby here
in the next week. Guess who looks preggers?

It really is upsetting to me when they stop
me at the door of Wally World on suspicion
of stealing a basketball.

Ha, Ha - i lost three pounds last week.
And 2 so far this week. If i can loose a
pound each week day and gain a pound each
week-end day, i can loose 3 pounds a week.
In ten weeks i 'll back at a decent size/weight.

I'll probably pig out at a 4th of July feast
and gain half of it back

 

PRAISE The LORD! Congratulations.
I also am an X-smoker. I quit for 9 years and then (Stupid Me) went back to smoking. I smoked again for 2 years and then quit again in February 2000. So I just passed my 4 year mark.
I smell smoke a mile away. Last X-Mas I went to my husbands company party. It was manditory for him to go at least until the meeting. I went and brought my 3 yr old son with us. I would say that out of the 200 people that were there, 197 of them smoked. We were there for 6 hours before the meeting finally started and were there a total of 8 hours.
The smoke was so bad my eyes were burning and my lungs were actually hurting me. I couldn't wait to go home. After the party, it was 2 days before Imy lungs stopped hurting and 4-5 days that I stopped smelling smoke when I breath. Plus I had to spend extra money to get my dress, my sons suit and my husbands suit cleaned at the cleaners! And my 3 yr old was coughing for a few days after that!

I do not condemn anyone that does smoke. But to the people that do, don't make us non-smokers pay for your habbit! The smokers need to be a little more curtious. When I did smoke and I went out to eat ( when smoking was allowed) and if I was done eating and I looked around me, if people were still eating close by, I would not light up. I know I didn't like the smell of smoke while eating. If there were children present, I didn't smoke.

Anywho, Congrats on quitting. How did you do it?
My hubby is fighting that now. He has quit and gone back, qiut and gone back, the most he has ever gone was 1 yr. He is on the patches now but has failed before. What did you do?
I quit cold turkey. Put the pack down one day and never touched it again. Both times.

 

What bothers me?

Hypocrisy, the showing of partiality and double standards, based on position or name.

I have a real tough time with that amongst Believers. I can find no Scripture to support that behavior.

Just my pet peeve, though.

 

Frogmam, again you and others are adding to scripture. We have no right to add to scripture.

We are making Baptist too difficult of a concept. ALl it is is a representation of our new life in Christ. The old has been buried, and the new has been raised to life. It has no salvation qualities to it, there is no deep doctrinal meaning to, it is what it is.

 

LauraB: "Anywho, Congrats on quitting. How did you do it?

I smoked in my teens.
I smoked in my 20s.
I smoked in my 30s.
I smoked in my 40s.
I smoked in my 50s.
When i was 59-years-old, I just couldn't see
being a 60-year-old smoker. So i quit 9 onths ago,
three months before i was 60. So i'll not be
a smoker in my 60s at all.
So i'll not be a smoker in my 70s.
So i'll not be a smoker in my 80s.
And who knows, i might not even be a smoker
in my 90s as well, if the Lord taries.

Learn about the brain and it's use of serotonin.
I got my Dr. to prescribe Wellbutrin, a
serotonin enhancer (AKA: anti-depressant).
Wellobutrin seems to work better for me
than would have Zyban or Prozac.
As much as you have to pay your health professional,
use their recomendation.

 

What bothers me is people who don't take "no" for an answer.

Sheila

 

So, I guess loaning me a 50 is still out of the question?

 

'fraid so.

 

With all due respect, how have I added to scripture?

Folks tell me all the time that the Ethiopian Eunuch was not baptized into the church in Jerusalem, that to think he was is adding to the scripture.

Folks tell me all the time that I am arguing that from silence, he was.

They tell that he was baptized into the church by the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit indwells and doesn't baptize,

Tobacco is also not mentioned in scripture, although I am certain it is part of the creation of God.

Just wondering how I added to the scripture, when I said the scripture never said anything about smoking. Arguing from silence, perhaps so, but adding to, I can't see that. But maybe I am biased so maybe you will be able to help me.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas