What can affect the brain?

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  1. webdog

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    Ahhh! Every time I want to respond to a post it seems like it gets locked. I would like to respond to a post on a now closed thread...

    It's stated here that if pain is numbed, then conviction is also numbed. This is like stating the Holy Spirit gets numbed if I take tylenol for a headache. I'm not following the reasoning here.

    Also, oxygen can "numb" the brain. If you don't believe me, just suck in some pure H2O from a tank. They even have Oxygen Bars now, so I would like to know how breathing isn't sinful. :D
     
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    Well, obviously, breathing in moderation... No, wait...
     
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    Uh... I don't recommend breathing H20 at any time!!

    I believe the Bible teaches that drinking H20 is fine, except that someone might think you are drinking vodka. So if you indulge, drink it in the privacy of your own home (only with your spouse). :laugh:
     
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    Well, they accused those with the Holy Ghost with being drunk so guess it could be the other way around and say the drunks just have the Holy Ghost. Man are we reaching now.:laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

    To compare the Holy Ghost with acohol is to revert back to the days of Penecost when they accused God's children of being drunk. I don't think I want to go there.

    Salt doesn't numb the brain as far as I know but acohol does according to your own admittance. You take a drink to block out pain, well if it blocks out pain in the brain then it could be blocking out conviction too where a person would do something or say something that without the blockage of the acohol in the brain, they would of never done. I am not taking someone's word for acohol causing a person do say or do things they never would of done in a thousand years. I been there, done that.

    To disagree with this statement is unreal. I have seen drunks that thought they had the Holy Ghost. I even seen some try to preach a sermon. I have picked them up out of the ditch and have them start quoting scripture to me.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: I just now caught that! If we were fish we would have no problem.
     
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    nobody wants to be in a depressed or grumpy mood during bible study, even smiling forces your brain into a happy chemical state, so what's wrong with using other substances to get yourself geared into good worship?
     
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    The brain is 'affected' by every stimulation. Assuming you mean to affect in a way to significantly alter one's ability to concentrate or motivate to action... sleep, air (too much or too little oxygen, irritants, or poisons), food and its various nurtrients, fats, 'extras;' fatigue, drugs/intoxicants, the sensation/detection of something pleasant or dreadful (a baby, a flower / a spider, feces, a loud boom)....... this list could really go on, but finally ending in too much, or too little, stimulation of any kind.
     
  8. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant. Factors that influence how alcohol will affect a person include:
    age
    gender
    physical condition
    amount of food eaten
    other drugs or medicines taken
    The Path of Alcohol in the body
    Mouth: alcohol enters the body.
    Stomach: some alcohol gets into the bloodstream in the stomach, but most goes on to the small intestine.
    Small Intestine: alcohol enters the bloodstream through the walls of the small intestine.
    Heart: pumps alcohol throughout the body.
    Brain: alcohol reaches the brain.
    Liver: alcohol is oxidized by the liver at a rate of about 0.5 oz per hour.
    Alcohol is converted into water, carbon dioxide and energy.
    Effects of Alcohol

    In low doses, alcohol produces:
    a relaxing effect
    reduces tension
    lowers inhibitions
    impairs concentration
    slows reflexes
    impairs reaction time
    reduces coordination


    In medium doses, alcohol produces:
    slur speech
    cause drowsiness
    alter emotions

    In high doses, alcohol produces:
    vomiting
    breathing difficulties
    unconsciousness
    coma
    Effects of Alcohol on the Nervous System

    As mentioned above, alcohol is a central nervous system depressant. It acts at many sites, including the reticular formation, spinal cord, cerebellum and cerebral cortex, and on many neurotransmitter systems. Alcohol is a very small molecule and is soluble in "lipid" and water solutions. Because of these properties, alcohol gets into the bloodstream very easily and also crosses the blood brain barrier. Some of the neurochemical effects of alcohol are:
    Increased turnover of norepinephrine and dopamine
    Decreased transmission in acetylcholine systems
    Increased transmission in GABA systems
    Increased production of beta-endorphin in the hypothalamus

    Chronic drinking can lead to dependence and addiction to alcohol and to additional neurological problems. Typical symptoms of withholding alcohol from someone who is addicted to it are shaking (tremors), sleep problems and nausea. More severe withdrawal symptoms include hallucinations and even seizures.

    http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/alco.html
     
  9. Baptist Believer

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    Hmm... According to the chart on the source page, I have never in my life had a blood-alcohol level higher than .01.

    The most effect a glass of wine (and I rarely finish the glass) has ever had on me was to release some tension and help me relax a bit... and that may have been the placebo effect.

    Yet there are those here who would cast condemnation in my direction!
     
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    I cannot condemn you. But I can tell you that if you are drinking that alcohol, you are disobeying the Word of God
     
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    I wonder what that would look like if that happened in a Baptist Church today.
     
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    LOL, webdog -- I think you meant O2, not H2O! Oxygen is generally found in twosomes. Threesomes is ozone, not so good. Interesting, eh?

    What can affect the brain? Anything and everything. A person in deep grief cannot think rationally. It is normal counselling to tell a person not to make any major decisions (like selling the house) for a year after a traumatic event such as the death of someone close.

    Too little sleep is known to impair judgment -- ask any intern.

    Pain affects the ability to think rationally, or, sometimes, even nicely!

    There are observed changes in brain waves in kids and adults who watch violence repeatedly (including playing violent video games).

    Sex can make a person very sleepy -- hard to think clearly then.

    Hard mental or physical exercise demands the brain and body take a time out and 'space out' for awhile.

    Falling in love is definitely detrimental to one's ability to think clearly and rationally at times.

    And people are worried about a glass of wine?
     
  13. Baptist Believer

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    Of course, there is quite a bit of scripture that supports moderate use of alcohol... and then we even have the example of Jesus (the Word of God).

    It is clear to those who can accept the scripture the way that almost all Christians did before the temperance movements of the 19th century.
     
  14. Brother Bob

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    Same in ours if you are talking about Holy Ghost.
     
  15. Baptist Believer

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    Of course!! Because it is easy to cherry-pick the general wisdom statements of Proverbs and use them to ignore the entire witness of scripture. Futhermore, an obsession with alcohol allows some folks to act "religiously" without actually doing anything positive and transforming in the Kingdom of God.
     
  16. Brother Bob

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    why not try these instead of acohol next time you need something for pain? Make Barry a happy man anyway.

    They should stop arresting people who they stop that are drinking then. Or maybe you could try to drink some H20 for a change for pain if it alters the brain, who knows it might work.
     
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  17. Baptist Believer

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    "Lack of sleep" to resolve pain?
    "Pain" to resolve pain?
    "Viewing violence" to resolve pain?
    "Sex" to resolve pain?
    "Hard mental or physical exercise" to resolve pain?
    "Falling in love" to resolve pain?

    I think your judgment must be impaired! :tongue3:
     
  18. Brother Bob

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    No, just showing you how silly your answers are.
     
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  19. Baptist Believer

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    People who are significantly impaired so that they should not be driving a motor vehicle should be arrested, whether it is due to overindulgence in alcohol, medication, illegal drugs, intoxicating fumes, anger, grief, etc.

    People who are take up the responsibility of driving must also be responsible for their mental state.
     
  20. Baptist Believer

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    Her post made sense.

    Your post was nonsensical.
     

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