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What can unregenerate man do?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Oct 31, 2010.

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  1. Allan

    Allan Active Member

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    There are a couple of things that can be addressed.. but one specifically that seems to have not been.. Faith is NOT a work according to Paul in Romans 4:2-5.

    Therefore if one will place faith in Christ it is not a 'good work' for or unto God.

    Other interesting verses (especially in the Greek) by various authors states rather emphatically we were not made alive FIRST, because to be alive, according to scripture means we are/HAVE TO BE, in Christ Jesus. So if we are 'in' darkness when our eyes are opened.. then we were not in Christ and thus not alive. Yet that is just what Acts 28:16 says:
    Act 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
    NOTE: Sanctification or being 'set apart' comes AFTER Faith.

    Another from John instead of Luke:
    Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. "

    He came as a light in the world (to unregenerate lost men) that they might believe and no longer abide IN darkness. They are IN darkness. If they have life then they ALREADY have and are IN the light. You CAN NOT have spiritual life and no light in relation to Christ.

    And another from Paul himself:
    1 Cor 7:22 For those who were slaves when called to faith in the Lord are the Lord's freed people"
    NOTE: They were slaves 'when' called. The Greek bears this out more clearly.. basically put - they were still in chains when God called them to faith, not that they were set free.. then called.

    ...and other passages as well.

    Sorry.. but it is to hard to get around scriptures that continuously contradict the whole idea of dead being wooden literal when speaking in a spiritual context.

    At least that is my take on the subject.
     
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    I know.:smilewinkgrin: I responded to that post.

    But you never responded to my response. I asked, "Why?"

    Why does John not exchange the truth of God for a lie and Jack does?

    Since you didn't respond to that I tried to spur this along. It is taking a while to get this thing going, isn't it?
     
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    Ok, didn't mean to continue the high-jack.
     
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    Amy, you folks are going to have him taking shots in the back room pretty soon....lol
     
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    Ah. Well, I'm not going to be able to give you an answer that will satisfy you. I do not know why Jack is a Jerk. You will have to get into Jack's brain. I just know what the bible says about why people reject God.
    Every man has an opportunity to believe God, beginning with His witness in creation. As Paul said, "you must believe that God is before you can come to Him."
     
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    HA! That's what makes it fun right? :tongue3:

    Drive your opponent crazy!
     
  7. Allan

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    Hello Amy :)
     
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    Luke with all due respect this is 2nd string ......you havent seen 1st string yet. your not teaching college kids. These folks are here for a reason....you need to be on your A game. :tonofbricks:

    Marine saying.....That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
     
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    This is highly possible. But that's for another thread, dear brother! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    This is really a pretty simple question.

    Don't worry about the names, Amy. John is anybody who does get saved. Jack is anybody who does not.

    There really are only a couple of answers.

    John is less depraved or wiser than Jack.

    Or God chose John by His grace.
     
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    And even if John is less deprave or wiser- you still come down to this:

    Why is John less depraved and wiser? Who made him that way? Did not God?

    Doesn't that mean that God is the one who fully controls who gets saved and who stays lost?
     
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    Wonderful classic passage. I am not sure of how you intend its application in this discussion.
     
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    Yes it is isnt it....reminds me of Chariots of Fire. But thats another time, great inspirational scripture though brother, dont you think...lol
     
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    So those are the elect then! Those provided with Grace like john & those are the non-elect...IE Jackie.....one goes to heaven & one to Hell...Hmmmm
     
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    That's it. God's saving grace makes the difference, doesn't it?
     
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    What some count unregenerate man's goodness Edwards addresses marvelously in the quote below:
     
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