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Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Salty, Oct 12, 2004.
Do you think they attended a Baptist church
No. They were Sabbath keeping Gen 2:3 and they had no concept of a savior or salvation from sin prior to Gen 3:1. From Gen 2:3 until Gen 3:1 they worshipped God as the "real" creator that "really" made the earth and all life on earth in six evenings and mornings - resting on the 7th.
They were created without sinful natures, in perfect harmony with God and glad to worship our loving creator God as He directed them to.
There was no church until Acts 2. So of course, they didn't attend a Baptist church.
In Romans 11 we see the OT nation church and the NT persecuted church as "one" grafted into the one vine.
In Rev 12 we see the ONE church before the birth of Christ and after the birth of Christ -
In Heb 11 we see the saints of the OT church fully accepted by the saints of the NT church.
One body, one church, one God, one truth - in all ages.
Adam and Eve had the relationship that God created us to have with Him. They were able to walk with Him, and talk with Him, daily! It wasn't until after they sinned that they felt the need to hide from Him, and live in fear of Him.
When God "disguised" himself as Jesus and came to the earth, He was once again able to walk and talk with, and be in fellowship with His creation here on earth.
Now that God the Father and God the Son are in heaven, He has sent his Holy Spirit to dwell in us, so we too can walk and talk with, and be in fellowship with Him, as He created us to be.
Well it occurs to me that that Cain and Abel both offered sacrifices to God. Yet we can rule out Judaism because that was not begun until the days of Father Abraham.
So probably they went to the "Worldwide Church of God"!
Religion mean nothing to me. The true definition of 'church' means called out, assembly together, congregation. Church is not a building or religion.
Church is God's people, those who were called out of the dark - 1 Peter 2:9, also, Church is God's elect through Jesus Christ, those who have faith in Christ same as Adam and Eve were waashed away through the blood (Gen. 3:21), also, I believe Adam taught his sons Cain and Abel about sacrifice of lamb, because God gave instruction to Adam.
Early Church of Acts 2, they do not have their own religion, or attend building as "church", where they worshipping. They came to worshipping and heard God's Word at their houses (Acts 2:46). But, sometimes, they attend to synagogue to hear God's word- for the purpose of Sabbath. Actually, synagogue is NOT the definition of 'church'. Synagogue is a building where Jews attend to hear God's Word.
Dispensationalists saying 'church' was not yet begin till Pentacost Day of Acts 2.
Actually, church was already there in the Old Testament times long time before Pentacost Day. 1 Cor. 10:1-4 telling us, the people with Moses in the wilderness, they were follow the rock, the rock which was Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is our rock - Matt. 16:18. Also, in Acts 7:38 tells us, the church was in the wilderness with Moses.
Church means congregation.
Even, Adams and Eve both were part of Christ's body as Church, because they were washed away through His Blood through their faith.
Church is for both Old and New Testament saints have faith in Jesus Christ through all ages are the Church - Eph. 3:21.
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
If you have ONE group - ONE church in ALL ages pre and post cross (as we see in Romans 11 and Rev 12)- you upset the view of the Gospel held by a great many Christians today.
The New Birth, The indwelling Holy Spirit, Salvation by Grace through faith - the ONE Gospel in BOTH OT and NT is not acceptable to a lot of Christians today.
The 'church age' had not started yet. It was an entirely different dispensation.
Gospel means good news. The gospel is only necessary because of the bad news - the bad news is that Adam blew it for everyone and we all have to go to hell (because of Adam's sin and The Fall). The good news is that Jesus came to save us from that fate. Guess what - everyone from Adam to Jesus went to hell when they died. Those who believed Jesus was the Messiah when Jesus preached in Hell were saved and went to heaven after his resurrection. The Bible says Jesus was the first fruits of the resurrection - he took the keys of death and hell from Satan when he died on the cross for us. But the 'good news' was never even promised to the human race until Abraham. The CHURCH are those who are re-born in spirit but yet live in condemned bodies.
Moses was reproached or reprimanded by CHRIST - Hebrews 11:26.
The LORD saved the Israelites out of Egypt -- Jude 5.
Since we are to worship and honor the God of creation (Rev 14:7), they obviously worshiped the LORD on Saturday (Sabbath) --- since they were just created.
So they were 7th Day Baptists!
They could not be Baptists - since they did not Baptize, were not lost, had no Gospel teaching on repentance and forgiveness... etc.
But as Christ said "the Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27-28 - as He shows the MAKING of Both in creation week.
The first pair - Adam and Eve had perfect worship and perfect unity with God on HIS memorial of Creation week.
(Of course for evolutionists - no Adam, No Eve, No Fall, No sinless unity and intelligent union with God, no Garden of Eden, No tree of life, No tree of knowledge, No peaceful nature in perfect harmony with God and man.... Just atheist evolutionism to draw on.)
Back to Mark 2. If we assume that Christ did not really know what He was talking about when He rerenced Sabbath as being MADE at the MAKING of mankind (as indeed the Gen 2:3 text shows and the Exodus 20:8-11 text affirms) -- then perhaps the Sabbath of Christ day - is not really the Gen 2:3 Sabbath.
But then God would need to be confused in Exodus when "HE Says" "Tomorrow is the Sabbath".
Further confusion would be needed in Isaiah's day as he says by inspiration that "from one Sabbath to the next shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the new heavens and new earth.
They also never got baptised, did they?