By my understanding, historic Baptists have held a position not unlike that labelled 'Calvinism' despite Baptists being separate from mainline 'protestantism.' This is Baptist Board- so I have to ask the non-Calvinistic Baptists if they a) Realize their position is not in line with the historic Baptist position or b) Can offer evidence that Baptists have always believed a counter-Calvinistic position. Some cite the obscure General Baptists- but they fail to offer evidence that these Baptists came before Particular Baptists. Do any of the Baptists here have such proof? I'd be very interested to read it.