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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Yeshua1, Jun 25, 2012.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Again, Universal Church NOT a building/group/denomination, but its all the saved persons on earth right now....

    So its the Body of Christ on earth right now, those who have been saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit!

    IF we asked jesus where His church is right now, would say that you and I are at whever where are locally/physically right now!
     
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  2. The Biblicist

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    You cannot INCLUDE the local congregation with the NON-local congregation and yet claim they are "ONE body" as one EXCLUDES what the other INCLUDES. To claim they both are "one body" is oxymoronic.

    However, more importantly you are coming to the aide of our Roman Catholic advocates who want this subject line to change. Notice they have not been able to respond but now by changing the subject you are providing them a way out.
     
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  3. Yeshua1

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    Why would that be?

    Aren't all christians part of the bride/body of Christ here on earth, his Church?
     
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    No! All Christians in heaven and on earth are part of God's family by birth. All Christians on earth are part of His kingdom by translation from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. But not all Christians on earth are part of his church except those water baptized into membership. The metaphor of "bride" or "virign" conveys FAITHFULNESS to Christ not salvation. The church is given the "keys OF THE KINGDOM" and that demands the church is not the kingdom but the administrative instutituion within the kingdom.
     
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    the Christians ARE in the body/bride of christ, that IS His Church!

    Are you in an IBF church?

    As many SBC and other baptists DO indeed see both Universal and local church in Bible!
     
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    No, not all Christians are in His church (2 Thes. 3:6; 1 Cor. 5:11-13).

    No! I am in an Independent Baptist Church with no organizational affiliations with any other church.

    No! They are wrong and misled.
     
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    Think that as long as we view this from the viewpoint of sincere believers who have just agreed to see it different way, thats still OK!

    And do NOT mean Universal in the sense of the RCC see it, as theri Church itself being that!
     
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    And Magisterial Protestantism, as well.
     
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    Insults demean you, not the ones you are insulting.
     
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    And neither is the Roman Catholic.

    (Oops, already answered.)
     
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    And my question to you is, when will you be honest by posting everything I say on the site about this issue instead of trying to discredit me by your selectivity?

    I guess that's too much to expect from you.
     
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    Look at the post he responded to! He was defending your position even though he disagreed with it! HE MERELY POSTED VERBATIM what pertained to the argument!
     
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    Okay, if I misunderstood, I humbly apologize. I've been under some stress and may not be seeing things as they are. But no excuses; if I'm wrong, I recant.
     
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    I appreciate that and my opinion of you has improved.
     
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    I know I'm a very long way from perfection and "entire sanctification". I won't reach it in this life.
     
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    Well, neither will I or anyone else for that matter. I just get up and press on toward the goal.
     
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    Yeah, but every day I realize just how far I am from it. Like Paul, it seems that what I want to do, I cannot do it, and what I shouldn't do, I do that.
     
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    Welcome to the club.
     
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    Thanks. :eek:
     
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