What difference does 270 years make?

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  1. Precepts

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    I borrowed this from a website on the KJB in regards to influences that any translation of the Bible has ever made:

    "1. 270 years transpired before anyone dared produce another major English translation.

    2. The King James Bible dominated the time in history characterized by the greatest Bible preaching and teaching, missionary work, evangelism, church building, and doctrinal development the world has ever known.

    3. The King James Bible became the primary influence on the literature, education, government, law, and philosophy of numerous generations of English-speaking people around the globe.

    4. The King James Bible has been read, studied, quoted, memorized, believed, and loved by more people than any other version of the Bible in any language in history, including that of the original languages." [​IMG]
     
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    Is there any documentation for these outlandish claims??? Or is this just another thing that someone made up to try to support an unbiblical doctrine??
     
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    I'd say just look at history. When the other versions came out, look at the wars that took place. Look at the schools when they took the Bible out, and then prayer. The modern versions have had more wrong than right and I'm sure there's much more.
     
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    Sorry Precepts, I fail to see your point. Most of us who are not KJVO appreciate the great influence the KJV has had on the English speaking world, and to some extent, will have, along with other BV's as well.
    Point #1 is misnomer in my view, because the KJV did not need for the most part to be revised.When it says in point #1 "dared" that's a loaded word. I wonder what they mean by "dared" unless they see any updated version or revision in paranoia.
    Point #4 is true up to a point. The reason why the KJV has been read, studied, etc more than any other language owes its thanks to the missionary endeavors of England and America over the last couple of centuries. To say the KJV has been read even more than the original languages doesn't matter, because the KJV is a translation of those languages, i.e. that is its purpose. The case may be made that the world's foreign language BV's are translated from the original languages more than the KJV, does that imply (rightly) that the originals have been used more than the KJV?
    Bro Kevin
     
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    Any evidence of the last three claims (even if one was able to produce it tangibly rather than repeat vague, opinionated generalities) would be circumstantial at best.

    As for the first claim, "major" is the key word in the sentence. KJV-only Waite lists *55* new English translations (i.e. not later editions of the KJV) done between 1611 and 1881 (*101* if you count only NTs), and although most are not "major", some debatably are, such as Webster's 1833, Wesley's 1755, Darby's 1871, American Bible Society's 1848, Young's 1863, etc.

    Lastly, *none* of the claims do anything to prove perfection or exclusivity of the KJV. ;)
     
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    Must we list all the wars and other evils of society between 1611 and 1880? Human society has always had problems (evils) and the cause is sin - not any particular Bible version.
     
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    You mean like the … Thirty Years War, English Civil War, War of European powers against the Turks,, French and Indian Wars (to 1763), The War of Spanish Succession, Seven Years War, the American Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution, The War of 1812, the Mexican American War, the Crimean War, the American Civil War … and I am tired of listing them.

    Every war started after the advent of modern versions has been started by non-English speaking countries who wouldn’t have any idea what the KJV or the MVs were talking about. Since the advent of modern versions, there has not been one war on US soil. Does that mean the MVs caused that???

    Do you seriously think that your post was an argument for the KJV? Did you not think before you said it? Did you not think that there would be many people who would see through your argument in less time than it took you to post it?

    It is unfortunate that this type of argumentation is so prevalent.
     
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    I suspect Luther's translation beats the KJV on both point 2 and point 4.
     
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    I am certain the Latin Vulgate pulverises the KJV on most of point 4.
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    What we can see however is the KJV resulted in great revivals. Sadly, we cannot say this same thing of the modern versions, but the opposite of true revival - apostacy.

    May the Lord continue to bless you all richly.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    I think we can say that about modern versions. I have seen God greatly use modern versions. The power is not the translation but in the word of God itself. Apostacy has not come from a modern version, but from man's rebellion against God.

    [ February 27, 2004, 05:42 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]
     
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    So we can conclude mv's come from man's rebellion against God as well? Apostacy increased as the number of mv's increased, we can make that connection. Sorry if you don't like that, but I'm certain we'll see many who will purport all sorts of replies in futile attempts to contradict that simple fact of recent history. :(
     
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    No you can't conclude that at all ... We should rather conclude that MVs come from those with a passion to see people understand God's word.

    No exactly ... Apostacy increased as man got away from God's word.

    It is not a fact, it is not true. There is no connnection to be made there. Sorry ... study history ... that will clear up this nonsense ...
     
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    post hoc ergo propter hoc
     
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    Remember population has been growing exponentially, which favors the KJV. Most Catholics didn't read the vulgate, including many in the clergy. I understand it was mainly just another dead relic to be venerated.
     
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    Too late, history confirms apostacy and the induction of mv's correlates.

    If yall really have this passion to see others understand the Word of God, yall would stop coming up with a new version every other month.
    Glad we agree on the fact that apostacy is on the increase as we get away from the AV 1611 KJB, it's about time you started coming around.
    I'm looking the gift horse of apostacy in the mouth and on the front against Old Time Religion, Old Time Salvation, Old Time Sanctification, Old Time Separation, Old Time Holy Living, etc. as mv's increase, and that unto even more ungodliness and callousness towards the Old Time Christian Way while pride and arrogance are in unholy matrimony all the while our AV 1611 KJB is undermined by the attacks made against it by those who profess to love God and His Word.

    The example of Lot pitching his tent towards Sodom and forsaking Abraham should have been a good enough example, byut now California is refusing to over-rule sodomites joining together in what they try to call a marriage will soon run parallel with the Judgement of God falling on that area, so Lot, you'd better get on out from there Californy's not the place ya oughta to be, so load up the truck and get out of Beverly!Hills that is; cesspools and movie stars, sports heroes as evangelists, don't move off to the mountains now, ya hear!

    Sorry if you can't see the connection, Larry, but a people without a vision perish. Lot and his "better understood" versions soon brought about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Meanwhile, back on the farm with Abraham....
     
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    Precepts: "2. The King James Bible dominated the time
    in history characterized by the greatest Bible preaching
    and teaching, missionary work, evangelism, church building,
    and doctrinal development the world has ever known."

    Too bad that hardly anybody in the Russian Orthodox Church,
    Siberia, or Northern China could read English. This really
    kinda lessoned the effect :(
     
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    You'll just have to lay that blame at the feet of the Russian Orhtodox Church. I know a few from "old" Russia that tell how the ROC supressed the people by the oppression to discourage learning anything other than what was "orthodox" by it's "standards".

    A friend of mine Bro. Bob Patenaude is in Russia now, preaching the Gospel, starting another Baptist Church. he has a son named Matthew who has been working on translating the Bible into Chinese.
     
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    THE ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN WORLD 1991-1992
    Edition (Tyndale House Pub., 1990), page 317:

    "c. 1855 - Russian surge of world mission: Orthodox
    missiologist N.I. Timinsky (1821-1891) works out
    scientific basis for missionary work; vast
    missionary expnace: 1870-1917.
    Orthodox Missionary Society organized (St Petersburg,
    Russia); 1917, its world mission is destroyed by
    the Bolshevik Revolution."

    Or was it destroyed by that nasty 1881 MV?

    [​IMG]
     

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