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What difference does 270 years make?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Precepts, Feb 27, 2004.

  1. Pastor KevinR

    Pastor KevinR New Member

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    Precepts, your friend translating the Bible into Russian...what is the donor language? Is it as you've said, the Innerant, Infallible, Inspired KJV? or is it the same donor languages whence came the KJV? ;)
     
  2. Precepts

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    Don't really know, Ed, I'm not Russian or a missionary to Russia, but if you'd like to contact Bro. Patenaude he can answer your question much better than I. [​IMG]
     
  3. Precepts

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    So tell me, did you really read my post or not? His son Matthew is translating the Bible to Chinese. Is there any reason why the Bible cannot be translated into Chinese from the KJB? No.
     
  4. Pastor KevinR

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    "So tell me, did you really read my post or not? His son Matthew is translating the Bible to Chinese. Is there any reason why the Bible cannot be translated into Chinese from the KJB? No."
    oops! I must've confused the other post. However, substitute "China" for "Russia"---and it is total nonsense to translate a translation. Would the Chinese Bible be in "old Chinese" to keep form with the old English? any Bible must be translated from the same language God wrote His Bible; Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. If the translators did not have assess to the H, A, and G, then if the translators knew Mandarin, understood old English well enough, then it's better than not trying at all...but why settle for second best? why not translate into Chinese from what the KJV translators used? Don't you think that would be the most prudent course of action? [​IMG]
    Goodnight all... [​IMG]
     
  5. Precepts

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    Wonder if anyone understands Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in Chinese? I am ceratin that some one who knows these three and understands Chinese and English as well will not have too much trouble doing the translation except where the grammatical rules of whichever dialect of Chinese differs. Maybe you should try to contact Bro. Matthew and help him in the effort? Last I heard he was in Fl.
     
  6. ScottEmerson

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    The most basic of principles is that correlation does not equal causation. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy of gross proportions.
     
  7. rsr

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    I am aghast, Scott. Do you mean to say that it is illogical to assume that my car wreck today wasn't the result of the lack of eating Wheaties this morning? After all, on every other day that I ate my Wheaties, I didn't get into a wreck.

    God forbid.

    A good dose of Hume is in order.
     
  8. Dr. Bob

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    Every point of the "primacy" of the AV (whatever revision) is ludicrous. Sorry. Not even worthy of comment.
     
  9. michelle

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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    rsr,

    I do not think that apostacy is a lauphing matter at all. It is very sad indeed, and my heart is very burdened because of this. We are talking about people who have fallen away from the faith once delivered unto the saints, and it is not a lauphing matter at all, but a weeping one.

    You are very wrong about your analagy of eating wheaties having to do with a car wreck to that of the modern versions attributing to apostacy. If God's word has been corrupted (which it has in the modern versions) then there will be evidence of apostacy, just as much as if one did not read God's word at all. Do you really think that God would bless something that has corrupted his pure word? Just look what happened to Eve in the garden of Eden, because she changed God's pure word? Was she not deceived by the serpent because of this? What was the result? Did God bless her version of the truth? Did God hold Adam to a higher account because he knew, and yet still disobeyed? I think we all know the answer to that.

    I weep daily over this, and pray continually for those who are caught up in this. I hope that you would also.

    May the Lord richly bless you all.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  10. rsr

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    Who said apostacy is a laughing matter?

    Scott is merely pointing out that the illogic in this:

    You could as easily argue that the AV was published in 1611, and what followed included any number of wars, the persecution of Baptists, the slave trade in America, the introduction of tobacco to Europe, taxation without representation, the Newtonian revolution, Priestley's scientific chemistry and any number of things.

    There is no need to weep. For most of Christian history, ordinary Christians have had little access to the Bible, other than what the clerisy wanted them to have. Thank God, that period is behind us.
     
  11. robycop3

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    Michelle:What we can see however is the KJV resulted in great revivals. Sadly, we cannot say this same thing of the modern versions, but the opposite of true revival - apostacy.

    Y'all just won't give up the false claim that apostasy is caused by some BVs you don't like, will you? If that were true, then the KJV should go. David Koresh, Jim Jones, & Heaven's Gate were all KJVOs, and I don't think it got more apostate than those birds were.

    Apostasy comes from the PEOPLE who are apostate, regardless of which BV(s) they use.
     
  12. HankD

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    Apostasy and rebellion?

    Does anyone remember their history and the "glorious" motivation of Henry 8th for beginning the Church of England which produced the AV?

    Henry the 8th...

    http://www.royalty.nu/Europe/England/Tudor/HenryVIII.html

    Then followed the history of religious persecution and bloodshed by the hierarchy of the Anglo-Catholic Church of England against CoE dissenters.

    To this day the Church of England retains much of the error of the Church of Rome.

    HankD
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    And even
    if proof positive was made that the
    AV was head and shoulders above the
    modern versions, I would be here asking:
    which of the 40 versions, ah, er, editions
    of the KJV are we talking about here?

    IMHO the KJV1769 is a Modern Version (MV).
    I use it all the time. So I guess I'm
    a modern versionist? But if a "don't label
    me a KJVO"ist uses the KJV1769 all the time
    they are a user of the AV 1611 KJB.
    Ah yes, we are learning to spell DOUBLE STANDARD.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Ed Edwards

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    Michelle: "You are very wrong about your analagy of eating
    wheaties having to do with a car wreck to that of
    the modern versions attributing to apostacy."

    Actually, Brother Rsr is correct.
    Look at the great apostacy movements
    (somebody else already looked at the KJVO cults):

    1. The Mormom apostasy, still distributing KJVs.
    2. The Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist
    (AKA: Christian Science) apostasy, What is her name White
    quotes the KJV
    3. etc.

    All the apostasy that took place during the supremecy
    of the KJV: 1700-1960 used different understandings
    of the same KJV passages. All the divisions that took
    place among the protestant Christian religions took
    place using the KJV during the rule of the
    KJV: 1700-1960.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Precepts

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    So what does eating Wheaties have to do with arriving at the right destination? Just because there are stumblingblocks along the pathway doesn't mean we aren't on the right path! The problem comes when ye cause thy brethren to stumble. Wist ye not the Lord is the God of all Peace? Wist ye not also that He has given us that same peace in knowing that following His lead according to the KJB is Blessed Assurance of making it home? Why then do ye continually place the stones of stumbling before thy brethren, if we be thy brethren?

    To equate Wheaties with a car wreck in the vain attempt to disprove fact is stupendous. The KJB will outlast apostacy, eternity to none; infinity to zero, and back again. The KJB has withstood the false accusations by equating mormons, jw's, koresh, jim jones, and the like, with the Word of truth.

    All ye have done is formed another weapon from the mire of accusation against the Truth.

    God preserved His Word in the AV 1611 KJB, yall can't live with that, not without bringing false accusation and inventing a scheme to label we who stand for the Word of God.
     
  16. mioque

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    "What we can see however is the KJV resulted in great revivals. Sadly, we cannot say this same thing of the modern versions"
    Throughout the 3rd world there have been a number of great revivals linked to the work of the Wycliffe Bible translators.
    In my own country, there recently has been a most unusual revival that started when a number of Evangelical churches adopted the Willibrord Bible.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    Double post
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    Precepts:
    " ... a scheme to label we who stand for the Word of God."

    Actually, you stand only for the word
    of God in one edition of one version.
    (and precepts seems devious about exactly which
    one of those editions he really uses [​IMG] )
    OTOH, most MVites stand for the word of
    God in the original KJV1611 edition,
    the KJV1769 edition, the KJV1873 edition,
    etc., the NIV, the NASB, the NLT,
    the NCV = New Century Version,
    the TMB = Third Millenniusm Bible, etc.

    Who is "against God's word" here?

    [​IMG]
     
  19. mioque

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    "Is there any reason why the Bible cannot be translated into Chinese from the KJB? No."
    Absolutely true. Is there any reason why the Bible SHOULD NOT be translated into Chinese from the KJB? Yes.
    To archieve the best possible translation, always translate from the language the book was originally written in.
     
  20. Pastor KevinR

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    I'm not sure why, but you left out translated into Chinese. I don't speak a lick of Chinese, no Aramaic, read very little Hebrew and Greek, so I'll leave it up to Matthew :D (I have a hard enough time with English ;) [​IMG] ;) ).
     
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