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  1. Arbo

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    Matt22- May I ask what your reason for posting on Baptist Board is? If it is for fellowship, well... there doesn't seem to be many who you get along with. If edification, that's no good (as evidenced by the aggravation displayed in your posts). If proselytizing, you're handicapping yourself by showing a lack of respect for others by posting in the Bapstist section while being nonbaptist. On the other hand, if your here on a trolling expedition or to pick fights...
     
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    When you throw the F-word at other Christians, which category does that fall under: love, balance, or truth?
     
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    I believe that would be balance because she probably thinks she is throwing it in truth and love. :rolleyes:
     
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    Jesus offended many for speaking the truth so I guess I am in good company

    btw, no one said the f word...again you misunderstood the abbreviation given...so I guess it is you who has a dirty mind lol
     
  5. Yeshua1

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    Would say that your manner of posting though does not exhibit fruit of thre the Holy Spirit, more like at timee a "bitter one!"

    have you fully forgiven your ex, and asked God to forgive you for blaming Him?
     
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    Nope no bitterness....you guys must not read all that I write...just because I say it like it is doesn't mean I'm bitter...just trying to get the CHURCH to wake up and see the harm it is doing to good sheep. Divorce is wrong yet is never dealt with. The church is an expert at picking and choosing which sins are bad and which ones are not.

    My ex is paying for his sins...he married another woman (not too bright either my kids said...lol) who is also on her 3rd marriage and they are $100.000 in debt together he had NONE at all when he divorced me...he tells everyone he still loves me but we are just too different.

    I was never in love with him in the first place...I don't fall in love that easily (only 2 men, neither worth marrying) I liked him and we had fun and all...but believe me i'm glad we are not together, especially since he is so OLD.. 66 in June...I need someone who can keep up with me as I'm very active. Want someone I have things in common with. And someone who is willing to work on a relationship...wont be long and he will leave her too, cause like many on here he is PERFECT...he even said so.

    bottom line is the church needs to deal with divorce and other sins that it doesn't..btw, my ex has never apologized to me or his 1st ex about his wrong doing and I did....if you read what I have said it clearly shows he is wrong and he never got help unlike me...if someone is to blame then they are to blame and he is to blame...he needs to MAN UP like the pastor said and LEAD his family...but he is too wimpy for that and never will IT IS WHO HE IS!
     
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  7. Yeshua1

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    You never him? Did ytou give him time and chance to "man up", or were you trying to get him to right away take the bull by the horns, and steer the boat, or did you play back seat driver all the time , maybe?
     
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    You sure are full of assumptions and can't understand plain English.

    I am a woman who knows how to treat a man in ever sense of the word. You don't have over 10 men want to marry you if you don't....just saying.

    Let's see, I have only been married once and long term at that 17 years, I didn't quit he did. I have had many relationship over the years that ended just fine (Im too picky and know what i deserve) I allow people to be who they are and have NO desire to control anyone and I don't. I am all about healthy communication, not yelling, nagging or anything that most emotional women tend to do...I am very rational. One of things men love about me is I don;t play games, and they know where they stand with me and I them...open communication...something my ex couldn't do.

    let's see this man did this to me and his ex

    LIED...DIVORCED UNBIBLICALLY 2 wives...REMARRIED UNBIBLICALLY....DIDN'T LEAD HIS HOME OR KIDS (his 2 older kids are messed up big time...MINE ARE NOT)....NEVER ADMITTED ANY WRONG EVER....WAS PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AND ABUSED COVERTLY....NEVER SOUGHT HELP CAUSE HE IS PERFECT AND HAS NO FAULTS IT IS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSEs FAULT....ALWAYS HAD EXCUSES FOR HIS BAD BEHAVIOR...etc. etc

    Hey, when you have several counselors and pastors tell you that HE IS the problem and not you....then you should see it the same way.

    why do you think God came down so hard on Adam, cause he was "in charge" and he was suppose to lead and he didn't. the woman/Eve didn't get in trouble Adam did. God holds those in LEADERSHIP to a higher standard than he does others...my ex is too wimpy to lead..he doesn't have it in him..so his destruction will continue as long as he thinks he is all that and a bag of chips.....women are responders and if you act like a child then you probably will be treated like one.

    God doesn't change ones personality....it is what it is.
     
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    So he failed to reform peter or Paul?
     
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    Yeah, that's right. Your God is too weak to do much of anything isn't he.
    That's why your in the mess that your in.

    God doesn't condone divorce either.
    "What God has therefore joined together let no man put asunder."
    Jesus repeated the same words.
    Concerning remarriage Christ said that the one who marries another commits adultery. God doesn't recognize divorce. You are always married to your first spouse. If you remarry you are therefore committing adultery for as long as you are remarried.
    Those are Christ's words.
     
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    the answer will be 'but jesus was a man, and he saw things wrong due to being on the side of the men club!"
     
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    DHK, the dude is 66 he hasn't changed yet and he isn't going to...it is called FREE WILL...see you don't understand that one has to recognize they are a sinner or they have a problem in order to fix it. You can't fix something you don't acknowledge. He has NEVER admitted wrong to me or his ex, so why should he do so now?

    Doesn't matter, in our marriage he never did so he wasn't open to change even the counselors said so.

    Another thing you are clueless about is I AM FREE TO REMARRY ...HE ISN'T

    he left me and I didn't sin so he is WRONG for remarrying both times and I am not and am free to marry...might want to study your bible a little more and you claim to be a missionary?....whatever?

    Your favoritism to a sinful MAN (only because he is a man) is obvious
     
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    KEEP TRYING THOUGH YOU GUYS...CAUSE I DON'T ARGUE ABOUT THINGS I CANNOT PROVE!


    Question: "What does the Bible say about divorce and remarriage?"

    Answer: First of all, no matter what view one takes on the issue of divorce, it is important to remember Malachi 2:16: “I hate divorce, says the LORD God of Israel.” According to the Bible, marriage is a lifetime commitment. “So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate” (Matthew 19:6). God realizes, though, that since marriages involve two sinful human beings, divorces are going to occur. In the Old Testament, He laid down some laws in order to protect the rights of divorcees, especially women (Deuteronomy 24:1-4). Jesus pointed out that these laws were given because of the hardness of people’s hearts, not because they were God’s desire (Matthew 19:8).

    The controversy over whether divorce and remarriage is allowed according to the Bible revolves primarily around Jesus’ words in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. The phrase “except for marital unfaithfulness” is the only thing in Scripture that possibly gives God’s permission for divorce and remarriage. Many interpreters understand this “exception clause” as referring to “marital unfaithfulness” during the “betrothal” period. In Jewish custom, a man and a woman were considered married even while they were still engaged or “betrothed.” According to this view, immorality during this “betrothal” period would then be the only valid reason for a divorce.

    However, the Greek word translated “marital unfaithfulness” is a word which can mean any form of sexual immorality. It can mean fornication, prostitution, adultery, etc. Jesus is possibly saying that divorce is permissible if sexual immorality is committed. Sexual relations are an integral part of the marital bond: “the two will become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Ephesians 5:31). Therefore, any breaking of that bond by sexual relations outside of marriage might be a permissible reason for divorce. If so, Jesus also has remarriage in mind in this passage. The phrase “and marries another” (Matthew 19:9) indicates that divorce and remarriage are allowed in an instance of the exception clause, whatever it is interpreted to be. It is important to note that only the innocent party is allowed to remarry. Although it is not stated in the text, the allowance for remarriage after a divorce is God’s mercy for the one who was sinned against, not for the one who committed the sexual immorality. There may be instances where the “guilty party” is allowed to remarry, but it is not taught in this text.

    Some understand 1 Corinthians 7:15 as another “exception,” allowing remarriage if an unbelieving spouse divorces a believer. However, the context does not mention remarriage, but only says a believer is not bound to continue a marriage if an unbelieving spouse wants to leave. Others claim that abuse (spousal or child) is a valid reason for divorce even though it is not listed as such in the Bible. While this may very well be the case, it is never wise to presume upon the Word of God.

    Sometimes lost in the debate over the exception clause is the fact that whatever “marital unfaithfulness” means, it is an allowance for divorce, not a requirement for it. Even when adultery is committed, a couple can, through God’s grace, learn to forgive and begin rebuilding their marriage. God has forgiven us of so much more. Surely we can follow His example and even forgive the sin of adultery (Ephesians 4:32). However, in many instances, a spouse is unrepentant and continues in sexual immorality. That is where Matthew 19:9 can possibly be applied. Many also look to quickly remarry after a divorce when God might desire them to remain single. God sometimes calls people to be single so that their attention is not divided (1 Corinthians 7:32-35). Remarriage after a divorce may be an option in some circumstances, but that does not mean it is the only option.

    It is distressing that the divorce rate among professing Christians is nearly as high as that of the unbelieving world. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that reconciliation and forgiveness should be the marks of a believer’s life (Luke 11:4; Ephesians 4:32). However, God recognizes that divorce will occur, even among His children. A divorced and/or remarried believer should not feel any less loved by God, even if the divorce and/or remarriage is not covered under the possible exception clause of Matthew 19:9. God often uses even the sinful disobedience of Christians to accomplish great good.

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    :laugh::laugh::laugh:

    Peter and Paul both had a Choleric temperament....the DOER personality...so they are the most susceptible and open for change.

    This man has been saved since he was 22...so if God was going to make this Phlegmatic man a Choleric man then why didn't He do it over 40 years ago...you guys juts like to argue about nothing.
     
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    :tongue3:...see I am right.

    Question: "Why does God allow evil?"

    Answer: The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25). These attributes tell us the following about God: (1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil? If God has the power to prevent evil and desires to prevent evil, why does He still allow evil? Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:

    1) God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

    Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey. Because we live in a real world where we can choose our actions but not their consequences, their sin affected those who came after them (us). Similarly, our decisions to sin have an impact on us and those around us and those who will come after us.

    2) God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time. God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident. God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners. God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family. God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores. God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. And, yes, God would stop terrorists from flying airplanes into buildings.

    While this solution sounds attractive, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do. We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions. Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships? Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?

    3) Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts. The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left, for God would have to remove us all. We all sin and commit evil acts (Romans 3:23; Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). While some people are more evil than others, where would God draw the line? Ultimately, all evil causes harm to others.

    Instead of these options, God has chosen to create a “real” world in which real choices have real consequences. In this real world of ours, our actions affect others. Because of Adam’s choice to sin, the world now lives under the curse, and we are all born with a sin nature (Romans 5:12). There will one day come a time when God will judge the sin in this world and make all things new, but He is purposely “delaying” in order to allow more time for people to repent so that He will not need to condemn them (2 Peter 3:9). Until then, He IS concerned about evil. When He created the Old Testament laws, the goal was to discourage and punish evil. He judges nations and rulers who disregard justice and pursue evil. Likewise, in the New Testament, God states that it is the government’s responsibility to provide justice in order to protect the innocent from evil (Romans 13). He also promises severe consequences for those who commit evil acts, especially against the "innocent" (Mark 9:36-42).

    In summary, we live in a real world where our good and evil actions have direct consequences and indirect consequences upon us and those around us. God’s desire is that for all of our sakes we would obey Him that it might be well with us (Deuteronomy 5:29). Instead, what happens is that we choose our own way, and then we blame God for not doing anything about it. Such is the heart of sinful man. But Jesus came to change men’s hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He does this for those who will turn from evil and call on Him to save them from their sin and its consequences (2 Corinthians 5:17). God does prevent and restrain some acts of evil. This world would be MUCH WORSE were not God restraining evil. At the same time, God has given us the ability to choose good and evil, and when we choose evil, He allows us, and those around us, to suffer the consequences of evil. Rather than blaming God and questioning God on why He does not prevent all evil, we should be about the business of proclaiming the cure for evil and its consequences—Jesus Christ!

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    He is saying you married someone who had been divorced, that is adultery. You are certainly free to remarry, but it would be considered adultery.
     
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    "I didn't sin."
    Here is what the Bible says about that:
    1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    1 John 1:10 If we say that we haven't sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
    --You have deceived yourself
    --The truth is not in you.
    --You have made Christ a liar.
    --His Word is not in you.

    Furthermore, it takes two to tangle. There is never a divorce that goes by where the fault lies only on one person. It never happens.
    Second, Matthew 5:32 has nothing to do with this. It is speaking of a Jewish custom which has no relevance in our culture.

    Here is what He said. It is crystal clear:
    Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
    12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
    Put away your husband and marry another and you have committed adultery. There are no exception clauses in here. You are not free to divorce. You are not free to remarry. The Bible gives no such freedom.
     
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    God allows evil because of the depravity of the human heart. He is not going to force you to do good. That doesn't rule out the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit, neither the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit.
    Why do you have such a weak and anemic picture of God?
     
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    And again more proof no one is reading what I write

    HE LIED TO ME AND TOLD ME AND MY PASTOR HIS EX HAD AN AFFAIR...My pastor said that was grounds for divorce.

    I didn't find out till after he left me when I called his ex up and finally asked her 4 questions and found out that HE LIED about all 4 of my questions...one of which was she never had an affair.

    Keep trying so you can keep failing! :tongue3:
     
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    BYE DHK, you juts want to argue....

    Do a google search on your name and see what comes up :laugh:
     
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