What do my fellow Baptists think of this Pentecostalism?

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  1. Alive in Christ

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    Pentecostalism, and Pentacostal churches, seem to get slammed by many Baptists on these boards

    Well, I found this in an old hymn book that I have here in my den.

    This is from a 1958 "Convention Press" Baptist Hymnal, Nashville, Tenn."

    Hymn 173 is this...

    "Pentecostal Power"


    Pentecostal Power
    Words by Charlotte G. Homer
    Music by Charles H. Gabriel
    Acts 2:1

    "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come,
    they were all with one accord in one place."

    Here is the Hymn...



    What say you, concerning this Pentecostal Power Baptist Hymn?
     
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  2. John Toppass

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    Good try, but I do not think the hymn was talking about the Pentecostal denomination. If it were it would be a perfect example why I follow the scriptures and not the hymn book.
     
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    I've sung this hymn many times as a Baptist and never once thought it meant the speaking in tongues nonsense of the Pentecostals. It speaks rather of the fullness of the Spirit to win souls. The writer of the song, Charles Gabriel (Charlotte Homer was one of his pseudonyms), was said to have written over 7000 songs, none of them talking about tongues, but many of them favorites of Baptists: "Send the Light," "I Stand Amazed in the Presence," "He Lifted Me" and many others.

    Three times I have had Charismatic tongues speakers try to take precious sheep away from my flock. Twice they have succeeded. This makes tongues a heresy: a doctrine used to cause divisions in a church. I have no use for so-called "unknown tongues." If they were real and from God, Pentecostal missionaries would not have to go to language school. But they do. In fact, the very first missionaries sent out by the Pentecostals after the Azuza Street Revival thought they'd get the gift of foreign languages--but didn't and had to study.
     
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    Personally, I think pentecostalism is a psuedo-search for visible spirituality. It is very often practiced without an interpreter, and serves nothing but confusion, and a sense of inadequacy, on the part of those who don't speak in so-called tongues.

    Think I will stay fixed with my traditional baptist beliefs and practices. I preached in French when I pastored in Quebec. A French parishioner reminded me that he understood English. So much for understanding my "tongues".

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Ummm...just for the record, I said nothing in my post regarding "speaking in tongues", nor did I say anything about the "pentecostal denominations".

    I asked what you thought of this Baptist hymn that speaks of, and encourages, Baptists to desire and ask for the "pentecostal power".

    Thank you
     
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    From the OP:
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    Since you did not like our answers. What did you want us to say????? What do you think about the hymn?

    Don't ask for participation then whine about it.
     
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    What you thought of the Hymn, not what you think of "pentecostalism" or "speaking in tounges". I already know when most baptists think about those issues, since I am a Baptist.

    I think its great.

    I've done absolutely no "whining".
     
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    The song reflects a desire of believers to see God display his power as he did on the day of Pentecost. The major event on that day was not the speaking in languages not learned. We don't read of anyone saved by the speaking in tongues, But we do read of 3,000 saved through the preaching of the gospel by Peter, which each heard in his own language.

    Anyone who has read of the First and Second Great Awakenings, the Welsh revivals will desire to see them again.
     
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    Tom Butler...


    (((THANK YOU))). Thats what I was looking for, and I agree completely. Because we see some things differently then the pentecostals doesnt mean that we shouldnt join them in desiring great revivals and "awakenings" in our day...be it individuals, a small group or thousands. :thumbs:

    Praise the Lord.
     
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    Revival Brings the Power and Presence of God. Are You Really . .

    . . . ready for the power of God in His supernatural form to descend upon you and your congregation. When the men and women gathered and prayed in the upper room, they asked for the outpouring of God's presence, power and spirit.

    What they received may have been a shock to their concept of God, but they prayed and were open to receive what He gave.

    Are you? He may just give you gifts and powers you never expected, or accepted. If you truly want revival, you must be ready for God to move you out of the box of the religious and into the realm of the supernatural which is where the war is being fought.

    The spiritual equipment (gifts) needed to fight the war are supernatural, too, and you be willing to move in a new direction should that come from your revivals.

    I just thought I'd add my two cents on the issue of the song and what I see it meaning.

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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    Better read your OP. It seems you do not know what you asked. But that is ok. If you weren't whining then forgive me for saying so.
     
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    Oh, really? Read your own OP. Here was what you started with:
    So the obvious conclusion is that you want opinions about the hymn in regards to Pentecostalism (a movement emphasizing the teaching of unknown tongues) and Pentecostal churches (churches which, without fail, put great spiritual significance on speaking in tongues).

    If you don't want comments on speaking in tongues, please be more clear in your OP.


    The Baptists in the circle I'm from have always emphasized seeking God's power as they did at Pentecost in Acts 2 (but opposing "unknown tongues"), as can be seen by the following books:
    The Power of Pentecost or the Fullness of the Spirit, by John R. Rice
    Be Filled with the Spirit, by Lee Roberson
    How to Obtain Fullness of Power, by R. A. Torrey (not a Baptist really, but very influential among independent Baptists)
     
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    Good Grief. :BangHead::tonofbricks:



    I only brought up the pentecostal groups because they go further with this topic then we do.

    My interest was how baptists would view this wonderful hymn that emphasises something they we dont go into as much as the pentecostal groups do.

    And I now have a fresh understanding as to why we are sometimes referred to as "those fightin' Baptists".

    Its almost like some of you are just looking for a fight. :confused:


    Cant we all just get along and be peacefull?
     
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    Sorry, I will never be peaceful about the tongues crowd. And I'll fight to keep the doctrine out of Baptist circles. There are some things worth fighting about.

    If you were a pastor and had seen your flock thrown into confusion and your precious sheep stolen by the Charismatics like I have, you wouldn't be blase about it.
     
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    You're being disingenuous. Your OP was saying that Baptists were being hypocritical to reject Pentecostalism while at the same time asking for "Pentecostal Power" in their hymns.

    And, no, the Pentecostals don't "go further." They go wrong.
     
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    All well and good, but the whole truth be told, more spirituality is usually accompanied by sorrow and adversity. That's where the fruits of the Spirit are more manifest and operate most powerfully.
     
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    It depends on the Baptist. Many Baptists down through the years have been strong on the Holy Spirit and on evangelism (the twin themes of Pentecost in Acts 2). As for myself, last year I produced a series of 12 digitally recorded lectures in Japanese on DVD on: "The Holy Spirit and Revival." I fully believe in the fullness and power of the Holy Spirit for winning souls and serving Christ.

    The thing is, the Pentecostal groups may "go further with this topic than we do," But they are wrong and go too far, farther than the Scriptures take us. To the typical Charismatic/Pentecostal, the most important thing about Acts 2 is the miracle of the tongues. However, they often miss the bigger picture, which is that three thousand people were saved! Now that's something worth getting excited about!
     
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    John of Japan...

    Excellant. Praise God!

    I agree. It just bothers me that we sometimes flee from that to the point that we "throw the baby out with the bathwater"

    I agree. :thumbs:
     
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    I tend to "slam pentecostalism" because I once had an open mind to it. When I left the service I chose to go to Lee University (COG) to 1) learn about what pentecostals actually believed and 2) to get a Business degree while doing it. I graduated from Lee and during my time there I can give you all sorts of things that occured and how pentecostal practice their faith. Many things I found to be nonsense other things frightening. Now I stay far away from Pentecostalism however that doesn't mean I think they are heretics however I find it a problematic denomination. That doesn't mean I think they have nothing to offer either. However, I have very strong objections to that faith.
     

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