What do you think of this quote ?

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  1. UMP

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    "This re-appearance of the doctrine of freewill serves to support that of the pretensions of the natural man to be not irremediably fallen, for this is what such doctrine tends to. All who have never been deeply convicted of sin, all persons in whom this conviction is based on gross external sins, believe more or less in freewill."

    J.N. Darby
     
  2. Wes Outwest

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    Seems Darby is the victim of a mindset bent on keeping man enslaved to sin!

    ATONEMENT sets men free, faith brings eternal life, so those who have faith are free eternally.
     
  3. ILUVLIGHT

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    Hi Ump;
    I can tell you what cracked me up about it.
    Why would Calvinist ever see a need for conviction. [​IMG] When they are predestined unalterably to be saved regardless of that conviction.
    May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
    Mike [​IMG]
     
  4. UMP

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    How different is the God of the Bible from the God of modern Christendom! The conception of Deity which prevails most widely today, even among those who profess to give heed to the Scriptures, is a miserable caricature, a blasphemous travesty of the Truth. The God of the twentieth century is a helpless, effeminate being who commands the respect of no really thoughtful man. The God of the popular mind is the creation of maudlin sentimentality. The God of many a present-day pulpit is an object of pity rather than of awe-inspiring reverence. To say that God the Father has purposed the salvation of all mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race, and that God the Holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ; when, as a matter of common observation, it is apparent that the great majority of our fellowmen are dying in sin, and passing into a hopeless eternity; is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated. We have stated the issue baldly, but there is no escaping the conclusion. To argue that God is "trying His best" to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent. To throw the blame, as many do, upon the Devil, does not remove the difficulty, for if Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then, Satan is Almighty and God is no longer the Supreme Being.

    To declare that the Creator's original plan has been frustrated by sin, is to dethrone God. To suggest that God was taken by surprise in Eden and that He is now attempting to remedy an unforeseen calamity, is to degrade the Most High to the level of a finite, erring mortal. To argue that man is a free moral agent and the determiner of his own destiny, and that therefore he has the power to checkmate his Maker, is to strip God of the attribute of Omnipotence. To say that the creature has burst the bounds assigned by his Creator, and that God is now practically a helpless Spectator before the sin and suffering entailed by Adam's fall, is to repudiate the express declaration of Holy Writ, namely, "Surely the wrath of man shall praise Thee: the remainder of wrath shalt Thou restrain" (Psa. 76:10). In a word, to deny the Sovereignty of God is to enter upon a path which, if followed to its logical terminus, is to arrive at blank atheism.

    A.W. Pink
     
  5. padredurand

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    What quote are we to think about; Darby or Pink?

    Who says this? Is there a perception that if you are not a five-pointer then this is your belief?

    Is there anyone on this board that believes/teaches that God is "trying His best" and failing?

    As for Darby, he used polysyllabic words and ended a sentence with a preposition. I don't know what to think.

    What does he mean by all? Aren't even the elect unsaved until they have been "deeply convicted of sin"? If so, then isn't he saying even the elect believe in freewill until they are saved and then they no longer believe in freewill? :confused:
     

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