What Does Conservatism Mean?

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Some just can't get enough Reagan kool-aid. Thank God his reign as president is long over.
     
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    I'm guessing you don't like him because he was unbeatable in a debate. He made Jimmy Carter look silly.
     
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    He was the best president we have had in my life-time. He wasn't perfect like yours, of course.:rolleyes:
     
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    I believe the best president of your lifetime is the current president, President Obama! :tongue3:
     
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    Perhaps you are unaware of how our republic works, but presidents don't "reign." Perhaps that is part of the problem here ... people just don't understand government.

    Based on a month of broken promises and failed policies? Inflation is already headed upward, largely based on these "spend more money" policies pursued by this president. The markets are not responding positively to this, meaning that the current policies being pursued by this administration are lengthening the current economic state, not reducing it.

    Obama is still showing that he just doesn't get it and either hasn't surrounded himself with people who can explain it to him or isn't listening to them. Either way, we are in a bad spot.
     
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    A Conservative:

    1) Uses resources wisely

    2) Believes an individual is responsible for himself

    3) Believes govt job is to protect a CITIZEN from others

    4) Believes in the 10th Admetment concept of Lowest Level Government

    5) Beleives in Limited Government

    "A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away" - Barry Goldwater


    What is a conservative
     
  9. Andy T.

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    Why didn't you vote him then, if he is so great?
     
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    It appears that many who claim to be Conservative haven’t the foggiest idea about the true Conservative philosophy The following article by columnist Holmes Alexander was published 30 or more years ago and presents what constitutes the true Conservative philosophy.


    “The Bobbs-Merrill Company, book publishers of the American Heritage Series, have acted better late than never in recognizing the conservative movement that has been booming along for nearly two decades now. The Heritage Series has previously put out books on the New Left and Black Nationalism, agrarian revolt and civil disobedience, literary radicalism and the libertarian theory, and now "belatedly," as the editors admit, they have made William Buckley the collector and commentator of an anthology called "Did You Ever See a Dream Walking” which gives excerpts from the writings of 25 conservative authors.

    As might be expected, the best passages in the volume are those written by Bill Buckley himself. You won't find here any thumbnail definition of conservatism, but will be shown samples of what it is, and be warned away from what it is not. The samplings show that conservatism, among much else, is a form of non violent dissent against — well, materialism, statism, godlessness, immorality.

    Conservatism has a lot to do with free enterprise, little to do with Big Business. Conservatism is a discipline, and thus the enemy of permissiveness It is law-and-order, but not repression. It is good manners and social responsibility, but it has few rules — stops short of maudlin pity for the poor and the minorities. It regards Communism as an unmitigated evil, calls Fascism its “illegitimate” brother, and treats Socialism as an obnoxious poor relation of both.

    Conservatism is individualism, which is to say, personal freedom. The basic freedom, as Gary Wills writes in this book, is that of the human will. It cannot be killed unless the man himself is killed or reduced to a sub-human condition, as has been done in both ancient and modern times by tyrannous states.

    But the individual has an obligation to use his freedom. never to abuse it, as some of our demonstrators of today have abused and debased the freedom of speech.

    The ideal state, says the conservative, is one which recognizes that freedom is not given to anybody by his government, but is protected by the laws of the land, as well as by the policeman on the corner. The state, as the conservative sees it, ought to be the servant and the convenience of the free citizen.

    The state is not even a leader, or should not be because it always fails in such efforts except in time of war. Dr. Milton Friedman. for example, points out that when the government sets out to help the poor by passing minimum wage laws, it ends up creating unemployment. The welfare laws have merely perpetuated the poverty and idleness of the supposed beneficiaries. While no conservative could be an anarchist, he would eternally be for a government that is as unobtrusive as possible.

    A good many conservatives — two or three in this volume — came to their present beliefs by way of Communism, the god that failed them. Not all of them embraced the Christian religion by way of reaction. As Buckley notes, it is possible for a conservative to disbelieve in a personal God, but it is impossible for a conservative to despise God. The surest synonym, — if there is any — for conservatism is morality. A man cannot be a materialist, or an egocentric, or utterly ruthless, or rudely arrogant and still qualify as a conservative.

    Thus in a famous review of "Atlas Shrugged” Whittaker Chambers, then associate editor of the National Review, read Miss Ayn Rand, the author, completely out of the conservative movement. "Out of a lifetime of reading," Chambers wrote, "I can recall no other book in which the tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained." And the National Review itself publicly excommunicated Robert Welch first because the editors found his conspiratorial theories to be unsound, and second because to keep silent about Mr. Welch under the circumstances might seem to give consent to his unsound ideas.

    I said that conservatism is a dissent, and you will find in this book that it is a dissent against ideas and persons that attempt to enslave the individual.”
     
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    He still has about 1,430 days to go to either prove or disprove your hypothesis.
     
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    And he is not off to a good start.
     
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    What's happened is that he was facing the wrong way when the starting shot was fired and he hasn't changed direction yet.
     
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    This isn't a thread about the President. Stay on topic...


    What is conservatism? I can tell you this. Today's version is NOT the conservatism of traditional GOP tenets...and certainly not the conservatism of the late Barry Goldwater.
     
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    He did...if he voted at all.

    His epiphany was fake...

    as so many are.
     
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    A mistake. I know this is something you are unfamilar with, but a good dictionary will explain it.
     
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    In the words of the late Justice Potter Stewart- "I know it (conservatism) when I see it."
     
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    So when you said you couldn't vote for Obama because of his pro-abortion views, that was a mistake?
     
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    As I said, I didn't vote for Obama because of this, but judging by the crisis we are facing, there are much more important things than abortion to consider.
     
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    Without a doubt because we all know that money is more important than life.
     

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